dave1372 83 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Here are my thoughts: After the third custodial offence they obviously haven't learnt their lesson ....give them 10 years meaning 10 years whatever the offence is! Prisons are overcrowded....simple answer build more prisons...... Run a prison as a business and make the prisoners work and help pay for it.... why should us taxpayers have to support them, let them support themselves or starve! I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay cheque, I work for an organisation that requires people to pass a random urine test for drugs and alcohol, with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque? The government could then afford to build more prisons and keep more scum of the streets and make the uk the place it shoulld be! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,265 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Things may have changed a little i think Gnasher.....over 4's now qualify for 1/2 time off for good behaviour. Also first tagging date is 1/4 of your sentence if your doing between 4 months and 4 years. Under 4 months and its 31 days for tagging date. Over 4 yrs and tag not appicable.....also not applicable for various violent crimes regardless of sentence. Yeah that rings a bell for the under 4 and tags etc.....you could well be right..... Not sure about the 1/2 for a longer sentance though im pretty sure not much has changed there.....and i know for a fact you wont get released on cat a......then again,im well out of all that shit these days so i couldnt really give a bollock ....criminals eh...shoot the lot of em i say ( from now on anyway ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tuzo 251 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Things may have changed a little i think Gnasher.....over 4's now qualify for 1/2 time off for good behaviour. Also first tagging date is 1/4 of your sentence if your doing between 4 months and 4 years. Under 4 months and its 31 days for tagging date. Over 4 yrs and tag not appicable.....also not applicable for various violent crimes regardless of sentence. Yeah that rings a bell for the under 4 and tags etc.....you could well be right..... Not sure about the 1/2 for a longer sentance though im pretty sure not much has changed there.....and i know for a fact you wont get released on cat a......then again,im well out of all that shit these days so i couldnt really give a bollock ....criminals eh...shoot the lot of em i say ( from now on anyway ) LOL.........for sure....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flint67 2 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Here are my thoughts: After the third custodial offence they obviously haven't learnt their lesson ....give them 10 years meaning 10 years whatever the offence is! Prisons are overcrowded....simple answer build more prisons...... Run a prison as a business and make the prisoners work and help pay for it.... why should us taxpayers have to support them, let them support themselves or starve! I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay cheque, I work for an organisation that requires people to pass a random urine test for drugs and alcohol, with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque? The government could then afford to build more prisons and keep more scum of the streets and make the uk the place it shoulld be! . . . . .sounds good in theory dont it ??and i can see what you mean . . .thing is though , piss tests really fcked up the jails and they d do the same to the dole as well , unless theyve improved them in recent years. Smoking dope , you cant pass a test . . It stays in your system too long , and faced with losing days for failing a test ,that was a problem . . . .guess what ? Smacks out of your system in 48 hours you can pass a test , just refuse it ,cluck for a day , then pass it. Piss tests caused the heroin explosion . .dont get me wrong it was coming anyway , just helped it along , but it aint like the old days ,you cant get caught smoking dope . . . . . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ian 1 36 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 you lot make me laugh . . If its such an easy time what are you all waiting for? When youve been and done 5years straight out of a 10 in an A cat come and tell me all about how cushty it was . .three d up or even foured up in a 2 man cell with a toilet stinking away , weeks of 23hour bang up with 1 hour in the yard , 1 laundry change a week , oh yeah but youve got a tv so its real easy. 1hour a fortnight with your family , until you get shipped out in the middle of the night 200mile away , so no more visits. Honestly it cracks me up, you get one piece in the sun about how all the bent coppers and solicitors and dodgy businessmen are having a whale of a time in ford and everyone comes out with the same old "holiday camp" crap. If you do a crime you do your time end of story , no whining no complaining , and yes , they deserve what they get , but that dont make it a doddle coz youre watching tv. . ."3 meals a day " what a load of crap , you want to think before you speak and just because you dont agree with the law that you are breaking dont make you exempt from "do a crime do your time" plenty of deer poachers badger diggers dog fighters and cockfighters , been on the inside lads. Huntly and the rest of the 43s should all have been shot without a moments hesitation. well said i agree with you alot of people on here aint got a clue about what prision life ,they are quick to slag the so called scum ,but i expect most of them know someone who as been in and i dare say most of you have brought some thing off the back of a lorry , and as for life meaning life i wonder what you would say if say your son was with a group of mates and got into lets say a fight where there he had only threw one punch and killed the other person ,he get done for murder and gets a life sentence and while you are trying to get an appeal because you say he should not be in there , he turns to smack to help him through his time in there ,think about it this could happen to you , it has done for alot of people with all sorts of crimes so i would,nt slag people who have found themselfs in there and as for tv and gym and other stuff if they didnt do it the nick would just be like time bomb ,as now days the srews dont get paid overtime so there is no staff to do contructive things with the cons to make them better people thats why they put tv,s in there cells to keep things calm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 "he get done for murder and gets a life sentence and while you are trying to get an appeal because you say he should not be in there , he turns to smack to help him through his time in there " Tough shit. Life is a bitch at the best of times, you just have to make do with what youve got. I dont syympathise with smackheads, their decision, just hope they OD before the damge is done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ian 1 36 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 "he get done for murder and gets a life sentence and while you are trying to get an appeal because you say he should not be in there , he turns to smack to help him through his time in there " Tough shit. Life is a bitch at the best of times, you just have to make do with what youve got. I dont syympathise with smackheads, their decision, just hope they OD before the damge is done. i dont like smackheads but prison seems to be like a breeding ground for them ,and i myself know some good men who have turned to smack because its the thing to do in there ,i cant understand why anyone would want to do it knowing how it can feck you up ,they should build a prison just for them ,with closed visits and a drug treatment program that they got to do instead of just putting them in the system with access to smack so when they go out they just do it again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy 111 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Done time in a catA jail twelve stretch,never touched heroin,its a choice not a neccesity,i was never into drugs anyway but i know what your saying about lads smoking that shite rather than getting caught with a bit dope,In my honest opinion if you can get your head around not doing what you want whenever you want you can cope,but they are far from holiday camps,seen one lad get his throat cut wide open because they were arguing over a film. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,265 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) Weak people will resort to drugs....being in prison is no excuse for being a weak person or a junkie..... Its a well known fact that cat a nicks have far less drugs than open prisons for obvious reasons....as for what was said above about screws,one of the most decent and helpful people i ever met was a screw in wandsworth prison back in 95...he was also an ex worlds strongest man !!....In fact id go as far as to say ive never met a bad one although im sure they do exist. Edited January 13, 2010 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mickmck 716 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 whats you veiws of british prison. and veiws on life should be life never did me any good , food was shit aswell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Proffitt 142 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Having worked in and among prisons practically my whole adult life....imprisonment and how a society deals with it are much more complicated than how it first appears at the surface. I'll try to summarize my impressions... 1) First time,non-violent offenders have no place in prison. 2)Pedophiles have no place in society; they'll never rehabilitate . 3) For some, prison is a chosen way of life and will always be. The only thing that rehabs them is age and then 'perhaps'. 4)Not all prisoners are equal...some genuinely did make a mistake and want to make ammends and go on with life . Others are already planning their next crime career while in prison, many are getting an early start. 5) The more secure a prison is, the more expensive it will be. 6) And lastly, at some point most prisoners will come back into society.The question is often asked what kind of inmate do we want to release into society. I should think one that wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat thinking he's going back. That prisoner is rehabilitated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Very good post Aaron. Nice 1. FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theferreter 311 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 prisons a hoilday camp its a joke Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob.i 26 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I have never been to prison and I dont want to .A few years ago I had the misfortune to work in the holding cells in the Crown Court building in Manchester the place was full of crap ,toilets with half a door so the warders could keep an eye on you, :blink:shit parcels all over the place it was rancid .What I couldnt get my head round was the mentality of some of the cons comments scribbled on the walls one of which said "got five years off judge so and so "do it standing on my head ".Some of these people must actually like prison or see it as an occupational hazard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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