200,00 construction workers unemployed

[the_stig 6,614]

you know your self stig , heavy construction , steel erectors, welders, crane sites need

experienced skills plus labour, ucatt has stood by for the last ten years and let foreign

labour , come on site , cis cards over nite , yes there are skill shortages these so called

new labour knew , and promised training in key skills lies make them pay at the next election

we have the workforce and the people to train am sick of going on power stations etc and

watching chancers from all over Europe blagging we have enough blaggers of are own

had enough 2yr ago on a big concrete plant - working away for 16 weeks job got held back a week for an interpreter to do the induction for the none english speaking lads ..how you work nail gun , how you mix 2 pack , how you unblock sprey gun , how you put overall in 16 weeks i could of got a english lad upto scratch ... agencys and the lack of a decent appreticeship scheme have gone a long way to fecking the game .. and health and safetys gone mad aswell...

[gonetoearth 5,144]

you know your self stig , heavy construction , steel erectors, welders, crane sites need

experienced skills plus labour, ucatt has stood by for the last ten years and let foreign

labour , come on site , cis cards over nite , yes there are skill shortages these so called

new labour knew , and promised training in key skills lies make them pay at the next election

we have the workforce and the people to train am sick of going on power stations etc and

watching chancers from all over Europe blagging we have enough blaggers of are own

had enough 2yr ago on a big concrete plant - working away for 16 weeks job got held back a week for an interpreter to do the induction for the none english speaking lads ..how you work nail gun , how you mix 2 pack , how you unblock sprey gun , how you put overall in 16 weeks i could of got a english lad upto scratch ... agencys and the lack of a decent appreticeship scheme have gone a long way to fecking the game .. and health and safetys gone mad aswell...

HAD A POLE COME UP TO ME , ON HIS APPLICATION FORM 25 YEARS

BLASTER/SPRAYER , ASKING WHAT SA 2 AND A HALF WAS

WAS THE REPLY

[poacher3161 1,766]

This IMHO is the most serious issue faceing the country at this moment as i have proved with my MP that their open door imagration policy is the cause of high unemployment.I myself worked for years in construction and the unions are now a complete waste of time and some like unite openly support immagrant labour thinking it will boost their membership

[poacher3161 1,766]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

[Marl 4]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

He's a strange one that Ric with the silent "P"

Edited January 11, 2010 by Marl

[RicW 67]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

 

Poacher - if that is the case then I agree the situation merits investigation. What I wanted to get over, though, is that

1.) Construction is at a standstill because of the weather.

2.) When work starts on the infrastructure for the Olympics there will be a temporary spike in the workload for the industry. This will be shortlived. In the meantime there will be no drop in demand for normal work. Does it make sense to teach people just for the Olympic work, who would then be unemployed, or to bring in temporary labour who can be sent back after the contract is completed?

 

There are no quick and easy answers. The Poles have all buggered off since the recession hit.

 

pRicW

[poacher3161 1,766]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

 

Poacher - if that is the case then I agree the situation merits investigation. What I wanted to get over, though, is that

1.) Construction is at a standstill because of the weather.

2.) When work starts on the infrastructure for the Olympics there will be a temporary spike in the workload for the industry. This will be shortlived. In the meantime there will be no drop in demand for normal work. Does it make sense to teach people just for the Olympic work, who would then be unemployed, or to bring in temporary labour who can be sent back after the contract is completed?

 

There are no quick and easy answers. The Poles have all buggered off since the recession hit.

 

pRicW

You have been listening to labour mps that all the poles have gone home thats wat they want us to believe but we all know wat BIG LIARS labour politicians are.And by the way i know bricklayers in my area who have tried to get work on this project and have been told their only setting migrant labour on so much for a fair brittain yes fair if you are a fekin forighner

[steveS.Yorks 161]

I started in the building game with my dad before i left school,every close male relative ive got,uncles,cousins,sons ect are in the game.Ive been an immigrant worker myself and im a director of a small building company,i know a bit about the building game to say the least.

 

Were a "comodity" to be used,not just building workers but all workers,the people at the top stay there because we get out of bed and turn up to work and create wealth,and the harder they can squeeze us the more wealth they have.

 

The Tories and Labour have the same problem,which is "how to keep wages down" to keep profits at the maximum,most of us know what the Tories do about this they stab you in the chest and create unenployment,get everyone to buy their council house and be scared they cant pay their mortgage,ie by the time they have finished your just glad youve got a job and can pay your bills,basically they do it blatently.

 

Labour have to be more careful,funded by Unions and voted in largely by the people they have to keep poor,how the hell can they screw the workers who vote for them and ever get back in power when everyone realises what theyre doing? Simple,bring in immigrant workers and blame the EEC,this has another advantage they get the immigrant vote.

 

In my Town the BNP have had 3 councillors voted in,since this has happened we have had the biggest influx of immigrants in the country,no doubt to try and counteract the BNP vote and help prevent losing the socialist republic of Rotherham because this would undoutably be a massive blow and probably start a trend.

 

Why people dont see these things i dont know? its as plain as the nose on your face and voting for the BNP wouldnt solve this problem,they would still have to run this country and keep wages down,they also wouldnt be able to borrow money from the Saudi's or do a lot of business with any muslim country,it would obviously be a financial disaster.

 

Ive been a socialist all my life but now i dont know who to trust? I know one thing though,ill never vote Labour ever again[stopped when they banned hunting anyway]maybe ill check out the UKIP stance on hunting,Doncaster has a UKIP mayor,they love the bloke,he's done some real good there since he got elected,and before anyone screams "racists" they had 5 candidates at the last elections that were from ethnic minorities.

Constructive critisism welcome.

[johnny 2 367]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

 

Poacher - if that is the case then I agree the situation merits investigation. What I wanted to get over, though, is that

1.) Construction is at a standstill because of the weather.

2.) When work starts on the infrastructure for the Olympics there will be a temporary spike in the workload for the industry. This will be shortlived. In the meantime there will be no drop in demand for normal work. Does it make sense to teach people just for the Olympic work, who would then be unemployed, or to bring in temporary labour who can be sent back after the contract is completed?

 

There are no quick and easy answers. The Poles have all buggered off since the recession hit.

 

pRicW

Hi Rick Having laid bricks for a living for the last 20 years,this is the worst i can remember.In my experience there has been a huge drop in the demand for normal work.Housing work is very thin on the ground,the weather in my view is the least of the problem for construction workers at the moment.

[bullmatt 5]

all this concerns me,i have to wear my hard hat working above everyone else being a scaffolder and i have foreign workmen(of all nationalities working under me who cant understand a word of english with a couple of translators, health and safety is a f*****g joke,but a blind eye is turned for a pound note ,f*****g hipocrites

[RicW 67]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

 

Poacher - if that is the case then I agree the situation merits investigation. What I wanted to get over, though, is that

1.) Construction is at a standstill because of the weather.

2.) When work starts on the infrastructure for the Olympics there will be a temporary spike in the workload for the industry. This will be shortlived. In the meantime there will be no drop in demand for normal work. Does it make sense to teach people just for the Olympic work, who would then be unemployed, or to bring in temporary labour who can be sent back after the contract is completed?

 

There are no quick and easy answers. The Poles have all buggered off since the recession hit.

 

pRicW

Hi Rick Having laid bricks for a living for the last 20 years,this is the worst i can remember.In my experience there has been a huge drop in the demand for normal work.Housing work is very thin on the ground,the weather in my view is the least of the problem for construction workers at the moment.

 

Thanks for a sensible answer. I'm glad to get the views of guys off the sites. I'm not interested in anyone's political propaganda - Left or Right. That said, we are still in a recession and construction, whether housing or infrastructure, is always hit first, hit hardest and last to recover. That makes a strong argument for employing Brits on the Olympic project as it would increase demand, and put cash into the economy. Unfortunately politicians of all colours are still obsessed by Friedmanite supply side monetarism so chance would be a fine thing.

 

Ric

[gonetoearth 5,144]

It's the middle of winter. Worst snow for 40 years. And NOBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES? Well what a surprise. FFS you dimmo. Even if you only have two brain cells try to use them. Unemployment in the construction industry peaks in winter, OK?

Unemployment in the building trade has been riseing for the last five year due to the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe thats a fact you dimmo

 

Poacher - if that is the case then I agree the situation merits investigation. What I wanted to get over, though, is that

1.) Construction is at a standstill because of the weather.

2.) When work starts on the infrastructure for the Olympics there will be a temporary spike in the workload for the industry. This will be shortlived. In the meantime there will be no drop in demand for normal work. Does it make sense to teach people just for the Olympic work, who would then be unemployed, or to bring in temporary labour who can be sent back after the contract is completed?

 

There are no quick and easy answers. The Poles have all buggered off since the recession hit.

 

pRicW

how little you actually know about the construction industry, we do not teach, we educate and train in this country to a standard envied throughout

the world, one of are main exports is are construction expertise , the Olympic games infrastructure needs a balance of skilled and unskilled labour. At the bid stage i think you will find one of the aims is to leave a lasting asset of amenities and a trained work force , the employment of local home grown labour being in the forefront of the bid, are industry has always had people passing thru in times of high unemployment, and has offered temporary employment to students etc, But the level of immigrant unskilled labour that has flooded the industry in the last few years is taking the jobs of the indigenous work force , you comments bring in temporary labour and send back , are you a nazi or some thing , the construction industry

has worked hard over the years to offer training in safety and skills, not to bring in and send back or are you in favour of the reintroduction of slave labour ricW

Edited January 11, 2010 by gonetoearth

[steveS.Yorks 161]

Rick

 

If the "political propoganda" thing is aimed at my last post[im not saying it definatly is] i think the post is pretty balanced and has a lot of undeniable truth in it? As far as im concerned ive had a go at the left,right and whatever you class the BNP as [left imo]

 

You obviously have little experiance in the building game,ive done my time laying bricks and shovelling shit,literally and recently,brought a family up with hard graft and been shit on by everybody while doing it,im running our company differently to most,i put the lads at the top of the list and suffering financially for it,i havent took a wage for a year,neither has my co director,keep out of shit you know nothing about.

 

And as we suffered redundanceies in mining and steel heavily in my area what was the governments answer to the unenployment,they set up half arsed training courses and shovelled them into the building game? seems our industry allways bears the brunt of any economic crisis to me,they just think were animals anyway. Not a dig at the lads who came from other industries either we all have families to feed,more a dig at the politicians who engineered the situation.

[shepp 2,285]

Well i'm a spark and i am home today painting the kitchen.

Been the worst i can remember round this way and we normally have more work than we can manage, Heathrow and London being on my doorstep.

I know loads of other blokes with no work and see countless trade vehicles parked outside there owners houses day after day.

 

One thing the tories did do was create an economy which meant we could earn well, labour just lived off the back of it and run it into the ground, funding a massive (labour voting) public sector which Gordon Brown had to borrow to help fund even during the good times!

 

People have to take a little blame for living right up to the limit to where there finances will take them and not having the sense to put money away for the bad times (a bit like labour have done with our country)

 

I think we will have another year of this and recovery will not come about till early 2011.

 

Good luck to all the grafters on this site, and to all the scrounging b*****ds!

 

Shepp

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Rick

 

If the "political propoganda" thing is aimed at my last post[im not saying it definatly is] i think the post is pretty balanced and has a lot of undeniable truth in it? As far as im concerned ive had a go at the left,right and whatever you class the BNP as [left imo]

 

You obviously have little experiance in the building game,ive done my time laying bricks and shovelling shit,literally and recently,brought a family up with hard graft and been shit on by everybody while doing it,im running our company differently to most,i put the lads at the top of the list and suffering financially for it,i havent took a wage for a year,neither has my co director,keep out of shit you know nothing about.

 

And as we suffered redundanceies in mining and steel heavily in my area what was the governments answer to the unenployment,they set up half arsed training courses and shovelled them into the building game? seems our industry allways bears the brunt of any economic crisis to me,they just think were animals anyway. Not a dig at the lads who came from other industries either we all have families to feed,more a dig at the politicians who engineered the situation.

GOOD POST