whip x grey 276 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) its funny to see how people wnat the big whippets as they think they are more capable, and Iv seen som really fiesty big harted dogs that will take and have ago on anything. Tom I totally agree Thomas, bigger doesn't always mean better. As you know i prefer a whippet with good bone, one that can take a knock or two in the field and just shake it off. I wouldn't want a whippet at 22-23" though as i believe you lose the early pace, just what whippets are known for.. It's a real shame that some folk seem to be favouring and breeding 22"+ whippets, some of which don't actually look like whippets. Some have apple heads and usually strong heads. There are a few of us that do try and breed to the standard, Elgadane,pennymeadow,and highisland to name a few. I was at the uk working whippet club lurecoursing and show at Malton last April, there were some excellent whippets there from the above breeding 90% of which were of the correct size. Jess the first whippet bitch i owned was 21" and 35lb, i used her for lamping,ferreting and coursing(before the ban) although she was a good worker, Vixen her daughter is a much better catch dog as she has far more early pace as she is smaller (20" and 30lb), she gets back on the rabbits much quicker after a turn than jess did on the lamp. Vixen is more nimble too,being able turn on a sixpence. mally dont take this wrong way,,,,iam just intrested, on the weight u put up off ur dogs,,, 21 inch 35lb to me seems on the heavy side,,,i have a fawn whippet u helped elsie deliver,,( buddy ) ,if not racing weight ,,,his weight is about 33/34lb ( he,s 22 inch ) so u can understand my question,,,,just trying to get a better understanding off the diffrent type off whippets,,,, do u think ??? thats because ped whippets a heavier boned,,,????? ( u see buddys what we call a lead weight in the racing game , big boned and built ) zac my 28lber just over 21 1/2 inch,,again well bulit for his size,,i,e not skinny,,,,but not thick boned or bulit like buddy ( vixen 20 inch but 30lb,,,,but look,s in shape,,i,e not fat at all ) its just when u put ur dogs weights up it got me thinking,,,,,,i know in racing game we bring weight right down ,,hunting game they will keep them up,,,,,,but i keep fat sort off whippets,,,lol,,,,, ( just got me thinking as ,,most working ped,s only put up height,,,and not weight,,and i noticed there seemed to be a varyation ),,,,,excuse the spelling mistakes lol Edited January 13, 2010 by whip x grey Quote Link to post
fresh earth 47 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 The dog that sired the blue pups we have was 20.5" at 32lb bob he is raced at that wait and looks fine for it although i would say the dog could do with maybe 4lb of to give him a bit of an edge on the track my pied bitch is 18lb at 18" quite small but quite slow the blue fawn bitch pictured is about 19.5" and about 25lb fit about 26-27 the now as the weight falls of them working in this weather the wee black dog is 18.5" and weighs 21lb he could probably strip half pound if he were to race kris just got a brindle bitch 19" and she weighs 10lb she is very very under weight going round to have a look the now so will take some pik's then take some next week to show the difference. ar Quote Link to post
whip x grey 276 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 its just that mallys old bitch 21inch 35lb,,,,to my 28lber,,,27lb when racing,,,roughly same size,,,but 8/7lb diffrence,,,,in them,,,i thought wow thats quite alot 25% diffrence in weight,,,, between a ped and a non ped,,,,,,( it might be a splash off grey going threw the non peds,,makes the taller,,than the peds,,,( i thought a 1st peds might be heavier boned,,,not to sure ) i think it was intresting to see the weight diffrence ,,,,in ped and non ped,,,looks like their even more apart than i previouly thought Quote Link to post
fresh earth 47 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I would have thought your dogs would have been a fair bit heavyer than mally's bitch as your dogs are very well put together and look as muscular as mally's although aint seen mallys in the flesh so would be hard to say it is mental the size difference and weight diff some of the taller dogs are lighter than the smaller suppose depends what your using the dogs for but your tan coloured dog is about the best put together whippet i have seen be it ped or non ped so it is surprising to hear vixen is a bit heavyer . Quote Link to post
Guest little lurcher Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 im pmsl at the 22 and 23 inch whippets!!! the day i bred kc whippets at that height id give it up!!! as for 19inches not being able to do the job , lol dont make me laugh!!!! some really need to get an education and be taken out by proper people to be shown what these little dogs can do!!! Quote Link to post
brother 10 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 im pmsl at the 22 and 23 inch whippets!!! the day i bred kc whippets at that height id give it up!!! as for 19inches not being able to do the job , lol dont make me laugh!!!! some really need to get an education and be taken out by proper people to be shown what these little dogs can do!!! well said LL btw whippets on creatine volumise, and volumisation of the muscles leads to a large weight increase, not saying it is but that could be why Mallys Vixen is heavy, it happens to my dog Sonny as I have said my 2 are 16.5 and 18.5 inches and HAVE taken everything Quote Link to post
ADAM C 193 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 you got any full body pics of your little bitch "brother" she looks a handy little tool to have well done on the dig mate....full marks to that brave little bitch Quote Link to post
mally 832 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 its funny to see how people wnat the big whippets as they think they are more capable, and Iv seen som really fiesty big harted dogs that will take and have ago on anything. Tom I totally agree Thomas, bigger doesn't always mean better. As you know i prefer a whippet with good bone, one that can take a knock or two in the field and just shake it off. I wouldn't want a whippet at 22-23" though as i believe you lose the early pace, just what whippets are known for.. It's a real shame that some folk seem to be favouring and breeding 22"+ whippets, some of which don't actually look like whippets. Some have apple heads and usually strong heads. There are a few of us that do try and breed to the standard, Elgadane,pennymeadow,and highisland to name a few. I was at the uk working whippet club lurecoursing and show at Malton last April, there were some excellent whippets there from the above breeding 90% of which were of the correct size. Jess the first whippet bitch i owned was 21" and 35lb, i used her for lamping,ferreting and coursing(before the ban) although she was a good worker, Vixen her daughter is a much better catch dog as she has far more early pace as she is smaller (20" and 30lb), she gets back on the rabbits much quicker after a turn than jess did on the lamp. Vixen is more nimble too,being able turn on a sixpence. mally dont take this wrong way,,,,iam just intrested, on the weight u put up off ur dogs,,, 21 inch 35lb to me seems on the heavy side,,,i have a fawn whippet u helped elsie deliver,,( buddy ) ,if not racing weight ,,,his weight is about 33/34lb ( he,s 22 inch ) so u can understand my question,,,,just trying to get a better understanding off the diffrent type off whippets,,,, do u think ??? thats because ped whippets a heavier boned,,,????? ( u see buddys what we call a lead weight in the racing game , big boned and built ) zac my 28lber just over 21 1/2 inch,,again well bulit for his size,,i,e not skinny,,,,but not thick boned or bulit like buddy ( vixen 20 inch but 30lb,,,,but look,s in shape,,i,e not fat at all ) its just when u put ur dogs weights up it got me thinking,,,,,,i know in racing game we bring weight right down ,,hunting game they will keep them up,,,,,,but i keep fat sort off whippets,,,lol,,,,, ( just got me thinking as ,,most working ped,s only put up height,,,and not weight,,and i noticed there seemed to be a varyation ),,,,,excuse the spelling mistakes lol Hi Mate, a kc(pedigree) whippet have a heavier bone than there non ped cousins mate, and racing weight will always be lower than working weight. Elise the breeder to the pup i delivered for you will tell you what condition my dogs are in. I keep them well toned and at a wieght they run well. In the summer months i keep vixen at about 29lbs, but in the winter when she's really fit her wieght increases to around 30-301/2lb. I give vixen a few runs at maltby wrc throughout the summer months to keep her something like fit,they can't believe how much more she weighs compared to the non ped whippets lol. If i was showing my whippets at KC shows then i would have to put even more weight on them to come anywhere, as 90% of dogs at these shows are fat and over weight. I don't show at these shows though as the first time i did with my blue bitch tilly, the judge told me that i had to stop working her as she had too much muscle tone to do well in the show ring, Surely a dog should look as though it's capable of doing the job it was originally bred for.... Quote Link to post
sh 08 17 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 here is my non kc reg whippet. 21tts and 34lb. he's not overweight. he runs better at this weight Quote Link to post
fresh earth 47 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 is that dog not on epups for sale ^^ I agree mally been to two shows and was told the same thing stop letting them run so much and feed them more obviously i aint been to a kc show since . Also the sire of my pup has been succesfully shown but he would do better if he had less muscle so his owner was told. We have just changed our feeding program and the dogs are all on glucose with milk and cerial in the morning then raw at night to try and get a bit weight on them. Brother what sort of benifits do you get from the creatine ? heard of alot of the bull boys using it i use it for the gym etc are you getting decent and better results by using it also how are you feeding it and how much sorry for all the questions just interested and its always good to hear how other owners are getting there results . ar Quote Link to post
sh 08 17 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 No it bloody shouldnt be mate unless the misses isnt teling me something Quote Link to post
sh 08 17 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 He has beed to stud so the person may be using the photo of him Quote Link to post
fresh earth 47 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 It ses the ad has been removed , was just when you said non kc the add said kc and it was the bottom pick with the pup that was on . What x is the pup looks like it has a nice we coat on it . Quote Link to post
sh 08 17 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 She's a bedlington mate firery little bugger. Quote Link to post
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