German Shepherd Cross

[logman 0]

coutryman what percentage of belgian shepard is in your dog and does it show any guarding

instinct

thanks

Roughly half mate, and if i was to put anything on the floor no one else would be allowed near it!

[lampinglurcher 36]

my alsation bitch has got a brilliant prey drive and has pulled down shot deer, but isnt fast enough for bunnies etc. will try to upload pics. 1/2 x would do it i reckon

[logman 0]

It seems to be a hit and miss cross?

 

Frank.

I would agree with you on that Frank, with regards to German/BelgianXs but i think there reputation for this is enhanced due to the small number of litters bred each year. Think about the hit nad miss nature of Bull crosses, in the first cross their can be a lot of litter wastage, due to the pups being to heavilly biult for the "average" lurcherman. However because there are so many litters of first cross bulls being bred, there seems to be a greater amount of good dogs from that first cross.

Just a thought

[Guest oldskool]

i had one,, the back end dropped down on it when it turned about 6/7 years old... crackin worker with lots of bottle, he worked rabbits hares foxes ferreting... i was very pleased with him but then disaster struck and he got hit with a car and broke his leg. he didnt like strangers either!

Edited September 27, 2006 by oldskool

[Simoman 110]

I have had a GSD cross numerous times, usually when manwork training I am stuck trying to make do with a GSD instead of a lurcher, the dog has good feet, stamina and is fairly agile, started him on the lamp end of last season and chases more than he catches and he is a light fast shepherd (60lb)I would be intertested to see what a 1/2 or 3/4 bred dog would be like.

how fast simoman? i have a light boned straight backed alsation [hate that word gsd] and believe this or not have had twenty nine mph out of her running at the side of van. like you say stuck with a gsd instead of a lurcher same here. but she will run owt .catching is another matter. great guarding dog though. clears five bar gates with ease and would give any fowlers dogs a run for there money at the swimming game. my mate has a half cross thats doing the job .

 

 

Don't know how fast they are although they have always been fast enough to catch a bloke wearing a sleeve My younger dog loves running hares but has never even come close to turning one He could do with more speed obviously but its his nose and instinct that I like

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited January 18, 2008 by oneredtrim

[smallmouth 1]

During her 12 years or so this small bitch....

 

....caught a number of daytime rabbits, the odd pheasant, a partridge, a fox. And a couple of hares. One of the hares was pegged in the seat. The other I saw her catch running on the autumn stubble, it was November(ish) and I still can't understand how she did it, except maybe it was because it was an unusually big hare..

 

She had a very good nose and hunted like a hound/gundog. What I really liked about her, (apart from the fact that she was never injured), was how she'd scour every square yard of likely ground, just on the off chance there might be something. A very useful quality when you live in areas with sparse game. (All my collie crosses fairly quickly learnt which bits of land were/are shite and then got half hearted about hunting up on familiar local patches. In fact the improvement in my present collie x bitch's energy, attitude and work rate when I take her up the Dales is amazing and a bit irritating, it's as if she doesn't think it's worth bothering locally.)

 

Obviously the GSD was rarely fast enough to catch what she worked so hard to find, but we had some great sport, especially with the pitstack hares, with those it was like beagling, (including the noise, she belled like old Deadlock when the hare was in view)...hunt up - flush - run - lose- hunt up - flush again, repeat until had enough....

 

She must've run loads of hares, but despite her intelligence she never seemed to get brassed off with her lack of success, never tired of hunting, never seemed to stop trying her best, not even after the lurchers arrived.

 

Naturally I considered putting a greyhound over her, and I sometimes regret not doing so, even if the first crosses hadn't been what I was after, they might've been the start of something. But later, seeing this pic of a genuine 1st cross made me think maybe not breeding her was for the best......

 

......it just didn't look like what I'd've wanted.

 

Yet at the Midland a year ago I saw a pale tan 1st cross bitch which is just what I'd've been hoping for if I'd taken the plunge, she looked very like a Kelpie cross really, unfortunately I didn't take a pic though.

 

I suppose if they really offered something unique over an above the more accepted crosses, then we'd be seeing a lot more about?

Edited September 28, 2006 by smallmouth

[wild dog 9]

thanks for that countyman thats one i will concider in the future a lurcher that can hunt and

guard is a good thing for some one like me who only likes or has room for one dog

[Simoman 110]

She must've run loads of hares, but despite her intelligence she never seemed to get brassed off with her lack of success, never tired of hunting, never seemed to stop trying her best, not even after the lurchers arrived.

 

 

 

 

I suppose if they really offered something unique over an above the more accepted crosses, then we'd be seeing a lot more about?

 

 

My dog is exactly the same, he is a very inteligent dog but still gives 100% on animals he has no chance of catching. I agree although I do think they have something to offer but a couple of problems are finding a suitable GSD, the majority of shepherds in this country have difficulty getting in the car, and also the ones I have seen (1/2 cross) have not really looked like lurchers.

[anton 0]

Good point Simoman i think if and thats a big if i was going to x one i would get a GSD/Alsation from the former East German Republic or Poland as the majority that i have seen and worked with over there don't have that sloping a*** so favoured by the show community here and in "West" Germany.

In fact this has been a big discussion in Germany regards standards in this breed i.e. sloping a*** or not.

[Simoman 110]

Good point Simoman i think if and thats a big if i was going to x one i would get a GSD/Alsation from the former East German Republic or Poland as the majority that i have seen and worked with over there don't have that sloping a*** so favoured by the show community here and in "West" Germany.

In fact this has been a big discussion in Germany regards standards in this breed i.e. sloping a*** or not.

 

 

I have friends who have imported dogs from thre Czech republic, Holland and Belgium. The parents of my dog were Belgian imports. These countries seem to produce the best dogs, although a friend has recently been to Poland sourcing dogs

[anton 0]

i think it has something to do with the fact that these dogs were bred under commie rule so nothing in or out and so have retained the original form.

by the way anybody know were i can get hold of a German jagd or hunting terrier over here ?

[Guest iceaz]

thanks for that post smallmouth

 

vry intresting to read my gsd has taken a few rabbits in the day and loves to hunt i can see her working it out when i took her down to the lakes she was trying to flank the ducks lol and sneeking through reeds lol

 

my bitch dont seem to have to problems with th back legs going either she would make an ideal breeding bitch.

[shotup 9]

i have a german shepard dog that was bred out of direct imported dogs from germany and was the first litter from these imported dogs , he,s solid muscle ways about 9 stone and has a brilliant temperment to go with his phyical shape not the roach back kneeling down rubbish.ive often though of getting a greyhound for crossing him with.he,s killed fox and feral cats as well as rats and retrieves or carryies anything if told.he,s a good gaurd and will hunt and track humans, but will switch of if told when in company.he,s a good poacher detterant on the shoot.

[Guest JOEB]

The thing that springs to mind in this debate is..............WHY?

Why would you chose this type of cross against some of the proven type crosses, (eg Saluki/grey, collie/grey,whippet)

Is it simply a case of looking for the next wonder dog?, the concern is that say after looking at this thread somebody gos off and breeds a set of these GSD cross pup, when they then find that they are useless when put up against some of the more proven types, hey presto.........more candidates for the dogs home!

JOEB