12 bore s/s hammer gun with damascus barrells

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Whilst I carried out an extension for a customer last year they redicovered their grandfathers shotgun.

I now have it in my care and would like to understand it's history and value.

 

It is a twin trigger 12 bore side by side.

It has damascus barrells and twin hammers.

The makers name is T & W Harrison Carlisle.

 

That's all I know!

 

I would be grateful if anyone can shed some light on the makers history, explain the stamps on the barrell or suggest it's value.

 

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[bignoel 14]

try e.mailing williams an evans at bisly surrey you will have to google them .with your pic's he will be honest with you he saved me a fortune on a old english gun that never turned out to be what the chap was selling .very good

[Guest Mass_G3nocide]

I take it that is not on license, I just had to dispose of 3 that were found in my grandads house that were not on license all have been destroyed except one that has had the barrells welded up and is now a wall piece.

[Guest Mass_G3nocide]

Value wise i would say 100-300 for a gun like that,Hammer guns rarely sell for alot unless they have a good makers name.

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I take it that is not on license, I just had to dispose of 3 that were found in my grandads house that were not on license all have been destroyed except one that has had the barrells welded up and is now a wall piece.

 

No it's not on a license but it will be, all I have to do is simply add it to my license with an accompanying letter explaining it's history.

[JonathanL 4]

I take it that is not on license, I just had to dispose of 3 that were found in my grandads house that were not on license all have been destroyed except one that has had the barrells welded up and is now a wall piece.

 

Err, why? The one in the pic clearly falls under the examption for antiques in Sec.58 of the 1968 Act.

 

J.

[waidmann 105]

a beutifull gun well worth saving for the history alone

a day shooting with a gun like like that .

sorry i cant help with the dating etc but thought i would present my opinion of the gun itself.love to see them.

good luck finding out some history and i would like to hear if you do.

atb

[Guest Mass_G3nocide]

I take it that is not on license, I just had to dispose of 3 that were found in my grandads house that were not on license all have been destroyed except one that has had the barrells welded up and is now a wall piece.

 

Err, why? The one in the pic clearly falls under the examption for antiques in Sec.58 of the 1968 Act.

 

J.

 

 

 

I think you will find all firearms/shotguns that are LIVE and NOT deactivated are required by law to go on a license THANKYOU!

[rjimmer 4]

I take it that is not on license, I just had to dispose of 3 that were found in my grandads house that were not on license all have been destroyed except one that has had the barrells welded up and is now a wall piece.

 

No it's not on a license but it will be, all I have to do is simply add it to my license with an accompanying letter explaining it's history.

 

Get it into dealers hands ASAP. Then get it back and put it on your SGC.

If it not in an obsolete calibre, you could be in trouble for possessing it without it being entered on to your SGC.

The picture of the butt is not all that clear, but take off the heel plate. There may be some spares inside the butt. There was in the guns made by Dawe and they had two-piece butt plate like yours appears to have.

[riohog 5,714]

as said it needs to go on sgc and its not nitro proofed so be carrefull !!

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as said it needs to go on sgc and its not nitro proofed so be carrefull !!

 

 

Don't worry I have no intention of firing it!!

[Guest Mass_G3nocide]

Do yourself a favour mate and dont listen to div's like Johnathonl and get it on license as being nicked Will lose you your current license and you may face a jail sentance if not get it deactivated like i had to a few weeks back and use it as a wall piece.some people have no brain and think they know everything.Goodluck.

[JonathanL 4]

I take it that is not on license, I just had to dispose of 3 that were found in my grandads house that were not on license all have been destroyed except one that has had the barrells welded up and is now a wall piece.

 

Err, why? The one in the pic clearly falls under the examption for antiques in Sec.58 of the 1968 Act.

 

J.

 

 

 

I think you will find all firearms/shotguns that are LIVE and NOT deactivated are required by law to go on a license THANKYOU!

 

I think you will find that they aren't. Check out sec.58(2) of the Firearms Act, which says;

 

"Nothing in this Act relating to firearms shall apply to an antique firearm which is sold, transferred, purchased, acquired or possessed as a curiosity or ornament".

 

J.

[JonathanL 4]

Do yourself a favour mate and dont listen to div's like Johnathonl and get it on license as being nicked Will lose you your current license and you may face a jail sentance if not get it deactivated like i had to a few weeks back and use it as a wall piece.some people have no brain and think they know everything.Goodluck.

 

Or, alternatively, don't listen to div's who don't know the law. The Firearms Act says quite clearly that guns which are possessed as curiosities or ornaments are exempt from all the provisions of the Act. They can be transferred, traded and possessed without any restriction whatever.

 

If the reason for possession changes (like if you want to shoot it) then the exemption does not apply and they are subject to licensing. You can even take them off cert again if you want to possess them under the Sec.58(2) exemption and I have done this very thing with a .380 Rook rifle. It was my fathers and off ticket all the time he had it. I put in on my FAC to shoot then took it of again and now it's knocking around my gun room somewhere.

 

Do your self a favour and read the Home Office guidance on the matter - even that says that you can possess antique machine-guns if you want. Read it in the light of what the law, and the Courts, have actually said on he matter though as the HO does like to make this stuff up as it goes along sometimes. The requirement that guns be in "obsolete" chamberings has no basis on law and there are even Court cases contradicting it.

 

J.

Edited January 14, 2010 by JonathanL