dog won't stop chasing

[ellir0305 9]

my colliexspringer will not stop chasing, everything from game to dogs to cars he loves it, he is however steady to thrown dummies etc and will not attempt to chase whislt on the lead (for obvious reasons). is there a way i can discourage this as it is ruining his training to be a gundog. do methods like electric collars or other less painful ones work? or is he going to have to be retired early to ferreting duty?

 

forgot to mention he is 6 months old, sorry this topic is so breif my computer decided to delete my lengthy one.

 

thanks

 

rob

[j davies 8]

my colliexspringer will not stop chasing, everything from game to dogs to cars he loves it, he is however steady to thrown dummies etc and will not attempt to chase whislt on the lead (for obvious reasons). is there a way i can discourage this as it is ruining his training to be a gundog. do methods like electric collars or other less painful ones work? or is he going to have to be retired early to ferreting duty?

 

forgot to mention he is 6 months old, sorry this topic is so breif my computer decided to delete my lengthy one.

 

thanks

 

rob

for some one with nearly a 1000 post cant beleave your asking this your dog is 6 months old. should start them at 18 months i do and so do most people. electric collars are for people that can not train dogs and in my aption should be banned ( by the way before you all start its just what i think) your dog should be started to do any training at the age of 1 and not before.

how can it chase cars when its on the lead or is it not on it, been looking at a lot of your post and would love to no why you of all people have asked this question

[rickyspringer 15]

j davies be constructive pal, he may of posted alot but that doesn't make him a pro, this is his first dog and obviously he is having a struggle at present.

 

Ellir the way to stop this behaviour is to ptentially get the dog on a long line and when the dog is about to do some type of chasing correct him, or train him on the stop whistle or recall, forget dummy work for now.your dog is young and it seems like he needs obedience work and needs to be 100% at that before you can move on, maybe you are putting the dog in situations where he can fail, start off on a tenis court or something and practice the stop or recall, or if in an area with distractions a long line could be useful,

 

forget a collar for now and forget advance training, basics are the key until the dog is ready to learn, ignore any set age you will know when he is ready to press on, basics are the key and DON@T SET THE DOG UP TO FAIL< this is key and don't give up on him, he is only a baby

[hily 380]

Sorry to say but chasing is what collies do .As instucted before basic training plus less freedom you could try an old metherd tie a washing line to the dogs coller make it sit and stay messure out the lenght of line and stand where it stetches up to call the pup up to you get down on your knees and realy encourage it and just when the pup reaches the end of the line shout stop or blow a whistle as the line pulls the dog to a sudden halt don,t over do this as the dog will twig onto this trick hope this makes sense to you and helps.

[waidmann 105]

alot of the posts i have read from ellir have been helping others in a sensible manner. he asks a question and gets that kind of reply????? whats that about.

i don't know the chap but from the posts he has done he seems quite genuine and passionate for the sport.

i see no use at all in giving him stick for asking a question which may seem basic to YOU. get off the horse and try helping.

 

sorry but that can piss you off.

 

as already said: at six months ( allthough making progress) he is still a pup and allthough a lesson is learned it is not set in stone. keep at it and try not to expect too much of him.

i have my pup bushing and ferreting at the moment( tyke 7 months prt) the retrieve has lost alot but everything else is coming on fine.

i find its ok to start a dog early but not to over do it( it stays a game).

if something starts going astray then back to the lesson( in this case recall/down/halt or whatever you use to stop or recall the dog)

i wish you all the best with the pup bud.

 

p.s. electric collars are a training aid which in the right hands can be very good, i've seen them used to great effect to get all kinds of things into dogs(some use as standard practice with all dogs). i have also seen idiots using them as punishment. if you consider using one then try and get some help from someone who has alot of experiance with them. try looking up uwe heiss( a well known german dog trainer,i don't know if he has anything in english though).

Edited January 5, 2010 by waidmann

[Dave C 63]

Well said lads, lets try to help the young lad out with constructive realistic advice as best we can and not put him down like is done in other sections of this forum.

As anyone who has read my posts will know, i start my dogs allot earlier than 18 months as they learn nothing in the kennel and very little on a lead, but thats not to say every dog is ready to work at 6 months, like ricky said each dog matures differently and dont compare your dog to any other on a dvd or book as each is different and only move on when the dog is ready, not because it has become an age.

Other than that follow what Ricky and waidmann states on training, but take into consideration what hily says, you dont know how much collie it has taken and how this will effect the instincts of the dog.

 

Good luck with his training ellir and keep asking those questions, thats how we all learn.

Keep us informed how he is getting on mate.

 

Dave.

[ellir0305 9]

thank you to everyone except mr j davies (a well rounded chap i think we will all agree )

 

i had some incline that it might be the collie in him and no i do not have him on a lead in my garden whilst training. the problem with cars is that i live on a track next door to a farm and when the truck or quad flies past with the herding dogs in hot pirsuit he sees an oppertunity and bolts out through the hedge, runs 50 metres turns tail and come back looking apologetic.

 

i have started him on a collar and long line (well retractable lead thing at 8metres i think) but he doesn't try and chase on that becasue he understands i am on the other end.

 

my idea with the electric collar which i am told are not the work of the devil was to enforce thge 'no' when he strats to chase, as if you can catch him early you can stop him. i read a piece that stated when a dog goes into 'chase mode' it increases the endorphine flow so the dog effectively ignores any commands as it is in full focus.

 

i will try leaving the retrieve for a while until his stop and recall is dead on. oh yes and the reason he is not on a lead when weare out walking farmland and woodland, where his 'in the field' training happens is that he cannot work cover effectively on a lead.

 

essentially his flushing skills are excellent and his nose amazes me but when he puts up a bird he decides he should catch it too

 

thankyou very much

 

atvb

 

rob

Edited January 6, 2010 by ellir0305

[rickyspringer 15]

wellfrom reading your post it sounds like everything is pretty normal, and that he is progressing nicely. I can understand him chasing after the others for that short amount of time, he is a pup.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with him chasing when he has flushed a bird or rabbit either, this is natural behaviour and he is showing natural skill at finding game and flushing it.

 

YOUR JOB as a trainer is to channel his natural behaviour to your advantage so that would mean when he flushes, you make him sit. IE sitting to flush, giving you opportunity to shoot game and for him to be safe.

 

No rush for any of this yet, take your time and don't skimp on the basics, remember gentle paces and not huge leaps, I am sure your going to make a good dog out of him, it seems like you have everything on your door step to help.

 

Use this to your advantage as not so many people are lucky.

 

Get some images up also.

[Dan Newcombe 58]

J Davies has nicely demonstrated there that just because you post a lot on here doesnt mean you know much!

 

Training starts the minute you get the dog home, sit at meal times, crouching down and 'pipping' the whistle to make him come back to you, 'pipping' the whistle and walking in the other direction to get the turn.

 

To be honest i wouldnt be too concerned about this chasing (which isnt the same as not doing anything about it) but for safety you need to keep him contained in the garden.

 

To stop the chasing i would work on the stop whistle but avoid using it to try and stop him on one of his bolts unless you can catch him before he goes (try and get the command into that second of hesitation before the dog legs it! not easy).

 

Work on the recall, until you can get him back quicker and quicker, eventually he will pre-meditate the recall and not go or at worst take a few steps.

 

Once he is back to you and sat down, chuck him a retrieve (if thats what he likes). He needs to understand that you are the interesting thing to be around because things happen close to you

 

The last thing you should do is retire him at 6 months!

 

Out of interest, are you planning to use him for a ferreting dog AND and flushing gundog?

[ellir0305 9]

i hate this computer, it keeps deleting my posts. thanks a lot guys. i will have a go at making the boundary dog proof but its gonna be a rather large job.

 

glad to hear its fairly normal. dan, i was going to once he chills out and matures a bitjust taking him ferreting for the time out of his kennel because it is usually all day when i go out. marking holes and such but not catching bolters.

 

he was loving the snow today i will put up the pics if i can ricky

 

cheers atb

 

rob

 

one at 8weeks, one on xmas day after he had opened his presents, edited to plug the strong stuff collar he is fashioning top class product! and one from today i will put some more up in a second

Edited January 6, 2010 by ellir0305

[ellir0305 9]

i had to go feed him, i have ordered his food in but due to unforseen circumstances(christmas!) it is late coming in. so i will have to get some bunny and rice on the boil.

 

heres a few more pics from today

 

atb rob

[Fortunate son 0]

i had to go feed him, i have ordered his food in but due to unforseen circumstances(christmas!) it is late coming in. so i will have to get some bunny and rice on the boil.

 

heres a few more pics from today

 

atb rob

 

Its a lovelly looking thing and ill bet hes a cracking dog but I have great doubts that he wont be able to stop chasing...Collie bred and round stuff up Spaniel bred to hunt and flush game and are usually bonkers ...the mind set of this cross makes me believe ur not making it easy for yourself or the dog ...The collie is highly intelligent as is the springer but I just dont think he will make the grade as a gundog...Better than buying a collar find someone local whose handy with dogs talk to him see if he can help ...hell have more experience and may and will help you..And that is not having a go its trying to be constructive...

 

Regards Me

[ellir0305 9]

 

Its a lovelly looking thing and ill bet hes a cracking dog but I have great doubts that he wont be able to stop chasing...Collie bred and round stuff up Spaniel bred to hunt and flush game and are usually bonkers ...the mind set of this cross makes me believe ur not making it easy for yourself or the dog ...The collie is highly intelligent as is the springer but I just dont think he will make the grade as a gundog...Better than buying a collar find someone local whose handy with dogs talk to him see if he can help ...hell have more experience and may and will help you..And that is not having a go its trying to be constructive...

 

Regards Me

 

fair enough but so far bar the chasing he seems promising, i have come to think of it an old friend who trained his own gundogs i havent spoken to him in a few years but i may have to get in touch.

[waidmann 105]

collie are bred to round up etc and spaniel do tend to be highly strung but if trained both are obiedient and usefull/intelligent dogs.

i think the little fella will become an asset to you(looks wont let him down either ).

keep at it bud.

atb

[upperlane2 4]

 

Its a lovelly looking thing and ill bet hes a cracking dog but I have great doubts that he wont be able to stop chasing...Collie bred and round stuff up Spaniel bred to hunt and flush game and are usually bonkers ...the mind set of this cross makes me believe ur not making it easy for yourself or the dog ...The collie is highly intelligent as is the springer but I just dont think he will make the grade as a gundog...Better than buying a collar find someone local whose handy with dogs talk to him see if he can help ...hell have more experience and may and will help you..And that is not having a go its trying to be constructive...

 

Regards Me

 

fair enough but so far bar the chasing he seems promising, i have come to think of it an old friend who trained his own gundogs i havent spoken to him in a few years but i may have to get in touch.

wat u using dog for flushing rabbits or catchin rabbits from ferrets just wondering from ur previous posts.