AzMaN 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I brought a 2nd hand Remington 700 SPS varmit in .223 the other day (synthetic stock, 2 swivel mounts at the front one at the back, vent strips at the front) picture at below this text. But ive noticed its not a free floating barrel which is a bit dissapointing rearly as the gun itself is rather nice. alot of peole have said its a pain to bed the stock and sujested geting a hogue or similar but ive no idea if i have an ADL, BDL, Short acton, Long action assembly. I'd also like to convert it to a magazine version if possible but im not overly fussed about that i just want the accuracy. (even match grade ammo i can only get 1/2" at 50yard). Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 223 is a short action, in terms of other bits it's BDL - hinged floorplate rather than blind box. Quote Link to post
AzMaN 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Lovely, thankyou. Quote Link to post
blackfox 9 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Have a look on ebay.com and see if you can get a short action HS precision stock sent over. I know that HS Precision also make a DM (drop Magazine) conversion for a .223, its not cheap tho. Money would probably be better spent on a Jewell trigger. Thats what i did with my stock and now its fully floated Hope this helps a bit Cheers Sam Quote Link to post
AzMaN 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I'm not overly bothered about the mag side of it, i want to improve the accuracy more than anything. I've brought a Timney trigger, not recieved it yet though I'm waiting for it to arrive. How do the states/uk customs work on sending firearm parts over?? or is it a case of order and hope they miss it? Quote Link to post
blackfox 9 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) I'm not overly bothered about the mag side of it, i want to improve the accuracy more than anything. I've brought a Timney trigger, not recieved it yet though I'm waiting for it to arrive. How do the states/uk customs work on sending firearm parts over?? or is it a case of order and hope they miss it? Well, im not sure really. I just had mine sent over, if its not a part of the action of barell i think its ok. Ive just seen this hogue on ebay-UK http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Remington-700-Hogue-PB-Stock_W0QQitemZ130354420686QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET?hash=item1e59ba9bce It states rrp 0f 195 so good deal maybe?? Cheers Sam Edited January 3, 2010 by blackfox Quote Link to post
AzMaN 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) ya thats what made me raise the issue i saw that one but thats alot of discount:/ Edited January 3, 2010 by AzMaN Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I brought a 2nd hand Remington 700 SPS varmit in .223 the other day (synthetic stock, 2 swivel mounts at the front one at the back, vent strips at the front) picture at below this text. But ive noticed its not a free floating barrel which is a bit dissapointing rearly as the gun itself is rather nice. alot of peole have said its a pain to bed the stock and sujested geting a hogue or similar but ive no idea if i have an ADL, BDL, Short acton, Long action assembly. I'd also like to convert it to a magazine version if possible but im not overly fussed about that i just want the accuracy. (even match grade ammo i can only get 1/2" at 50yard). Always difficult this one...NEW Stock, Trigger, magazine converstion, bedding is almost guaranteed to add up to more than the price of the original gun! I always take the view that I would rather spend a bit more on the gun to start with and get one that works. We each have a view and like to approach things differently, but I never could understand buying a gun and then throwing a load of it away!! Personally I don't see a Hogue or magazine conversion helping accuracy in any way, change the trigger by all means and sorting the stock may well do that!! On the other hand, just work your way through a few types of ammo, the difference can be astonishing!! ATB! Quote Link to post
AzMaN 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I can see your point deker and yes it probably will cost more than a new T3 or suchlike but you live and learn, and i think it makes it more mine when its customised if that makes sense. The mag conversion was just an idea but looking at the kit costs im happy with the spring door its not causing me any trouble. I think free-floating the barrel will help as will the trigger replacment but the proof is in the pudding as they say. Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 i would get a h&s stock with alloy bedding block. no need for bedding then. or you could get the thumbhole stock that comes on the varmint barreled remmy thats looks nice. your barrel should be floated still in that stock. have you run a piece of paper up it to see where it catches ? as for trigger the jewell trigger for the remmy will be the best you can get. not cheap but wait and see how much it will improve your groups and your hit rate on foxes Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I can see your point deker and yes it probably will cost more than a new T3 or suchlike but you live and learn, and i think it makes it more mine when its customised if that makes sense. The mag conversion was just an idea but looking at the kit costs im happy with the spring door its not causing me any trouble. I think free-floating the barrel will help as will the trigger replacment but the proof is in the pudding as they say. Not so sure it's about living and learning, just a different approach, and many people like this way of ending up with what is, a personal gun ...I'm probably just to tight to throw the unwanted bits away... Don't forget to try as much different ammo as possible, and whilst you are playing around with the gun check the crown, and make sure scope, mounts, mod, etc, etc are tight!! Would I be right in thinking you have already given barrel, action, etc a good clean as well?? Quote Link to post
AzMaN 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Deker: I gave it a good clean inside and out when i brought it and a good clean with patches and cleaner before i put it away. Ill pop to my local shop for a few more diff types of ammo for it see how it goes when i get the trigger kit. I may just sell the bits on ebay that i take off see if anyone buys them. Jamie: as for geting the H&S stock, thats way too far out of my budget for a stock, id rather pay 150 for it including bedding than 300 for it not to need bedding and the current stock definatly isnt free floating and ive seen films of people making the stock bedded and free floating but it involvs alot of cutting away and making sticky mess. Ive read that jewel are the best triggers but again comes down to cost, im not looking for match accuracy just good acuracy so i went for the mid-range trigger. Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) I'd try the reloading route as well..Is there anyone local can knock a few loads up for ya? I'm no Guru on relaoding, but it can transform a mongrel to a pedigree in a few thou off the COL.. Some guns just dont like factory ammo.. If there was one brand I'd give a go it would be Norma or second RWS. Secondly, and no disrespect intended, have you have someone else try to fire the rifle for you?? Off bags and stable platform rather than the Bipod? Tried a group with out the Moderator on? Matty Edited January 3, 2010 by mattydski Quote Link to post
AB TAC 0 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 I have a jewel trigger on mine, it worked wonders, well stopped me watching the barrel swing to the left every time i tried to pull the trigger anyway, but my remy 700 was one of the old VLS's with the 14 Ton triggers, the new remys you can adjust the trigger down to a pretty good performance, so i would give it a go, remember though you must take the action out of the stock to do it, and remember to do the good old drop test after working on any trigger. I have done sever Remington 700's recently and all of them have ended up with a dammed good trigger in the end. if you want accuracy then i would avoid any plastic stock, as all absorb moisture, and you would be really suprised to learn that some plastics used will absorb up to 16% moisture, this is what causes points of impact to change day by day, if you want accuracy there is no beating the high pressure resin impregnated laminated stocks, these only have a 3% moisture uptake or less, though the penalty is weight. a final point on plastic stocks, I have seen 2 fail when fired in low temperatures, this is due to the moisture up take and freezing, yeah ok it was a lot colder than the UK, but it is something to consider. I would look for a discarded remington 700 laminate stock, I be there's someone out there who will sell one cheap.. only after that and free floating the barrel, bedding it etc would I look to getting a new trigger. Quote Link to post
halamrose 24 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Can you help me understand, if the barrel is fee floated and well bedded then what does it matter if the stock moves about a bit due to moisture? H Quote Link to post
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