shooting holidays

[JonathanL 4]

so if you dont need a gun cabnet why do the police not accpet your application for a shot gun or rifle lience unless you have it bolted to the wall. if that the case yo could say it under the bed and the house is alarmed you could say it is safe there but i dnt tink the police would be happy with that, also why do people get arrested when broking into when they dont have they guns in a cabnet ?

 

not trying cause arguments here am just stating what ive herd and gone by

 

adam

 

Because it's different circumstances. Your home is where you are going to be keeping your guns permanently, you will be leaving them there when you are out of your house for hours, days or weeks at a time. Going away for a few days shooting is unlikely to mean that are going to be leaving your guns for too long or going very far from them.

 

It's important to understand that the condition on your cert applies all the time. However it doesn't require that the guns are stored under precisely the same security arrangements wherever you are. You need to ensure that they are subject to "reasonable" security measures and to prevent access to them by unauthorised persons "as far as is reasonably practicable". Clearly, it isn't reasonably practicable to use a gun cabinet in the middle of a field but you still have to take all those security measures which would be reasonable according to the circumstances. You just have to keep in mind the requirements of the wording of your cert and think - "can I show that I've complied with the security condition on my cert if my gun gets nicked?". So, if you are in a hotel would it be reasonable to leave the gun lying on the bed or would it be reasonably practicable to hide it under the bed with the bolt locked up somewhere else? This is why people get arrested when guns in their house get stolen because they aren't in the cabinet - the bottom line is if you have a cabinet, is it reasonable for the guns to be not locked up in it?

 

J.

 

I think J has covered this quite well, and you do not need a cabinet even at home as has been mentioned elseware, strongrooms (you would be surprised how many I have seen in old country houses), ground anchors, cellars, safes, etc etc can be acceptable in many circumstances. But at home, reasonable, is taken to mean pretty good, as this would be deemed a long term storage situation.

 

We could go on forever...but this is a quick guide..

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/security_leaflet2835.pdf?view=Binary

 

There is more here...section 19 is he most relevant

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/HO-Firearms-Guidance2835.pdf?view=Binary

 

 

I think this whole discussion can be summed up nicely with one paragraph from chapter 19;

 

"19.5 Forces should note that while the

requirements to keep firearms securely are

statutory, there are no statutory provisions

on how this duty should be discharged."

 

J.

[sako trg 1]

I was wondering this also what if you went camping somewhere you had permission to shoot?

 

Would having it locked in the boot of your car count?

 

I heard a rumour that a member of a gun club had a copper try to arrest him for leaving his gun unocupied in his car when he got out to open his front door. He wasn't prosecuted in the end...might be total bull....

 

You have to take all reasonable precautions!

 

In general whilst camping it would seem to be safer to leave the gun in the boot, and bolt/ammo in glovebox, whatever, locked, and hopefully alarmed car.

 

On the face of it this would seem a much better option than in a canvas or nylon tent.

 

The situation needs evaluating and the best options taken...so a car can be fine!!!

sound advice from deker.always wonder'd how you'd fair in court if all reasonable precautions were taken & it still got stolen?anyone fell foul?I hope not,just my mind wonderin,lack of work.