shooting holidays

[adamb 0]

the 1 of many laws when having a rifle and shotgun is to have a gun cabnet and ammo cabnet. however how do you stand when away for a weekend hunting or even a week. and not having a gun cabnet in a b & b or cottage your staying in.

 

 

Adam

[RicW 67]

the 1 of many laws when having a rifle and shotgun is to have a gun cabnet and ammo cabnet. however how do you stand when away for a weekend hunting or even a week. and not having a gun cabnet in a b & b or cottage your staying in.

 

 

Adam

Keep your gun, in a secure slip-case, by your side at all times. Evan when you go to the Karzi!

[Deker 3,478]

There are still a lot of rules about this, but the simple advice is to keep them as secure as possible, keeps bolts out of guns and as far away from each other as possible, keep everything out of sight, where possible, keep ammo seperate.

 

The rules are basically common sense,...the boot of a locked and alarmed car is often acceptable but not everything together, it is always a good idea to have some "bits" seperate, even if this means some are less secure!

 

You need to take all reasonable precautions and show due dilligence in doing so, you will only find out what that means if everything goes tits up and you end up in court!!

[Deker 3,478]

Just thinking about this a bit more...I have done shooting holidays/ breaks/visits/invites to a number of different areas, Devon and Cornwall, and Scotland in particular strike me as pretty laid back. I have had maids walk into the bedroon with guns/ammo/lamps/clothes all over the place and they have not batted an eyelid...I struggle to see that happening the closer you get to London, etc!!!

 

PS, always ask the Hotel/B&B if they have any gun storage facilities, many do in well known shooting holiday areas!! Whatever, always let the hotel know you have guns with you!!

[adamb 0]

thanks alot, is it worth telling the police of what you are doing are does that invite the police to mke a check up on you

 

adam

[JonathanL 4]

the 1 of many laws when having a rifle and shotgun is to have a gun cabnet and ammo cabnet. however how do you stand when away for a weekend hunting or even a week. and not having a gun cabnet in a b & b or cottage your staying in.

 

 

Adam

 

People think that this is the case but it isn't. There is no legislastion which says you have to have a gun cabinet, nor employ any specific type of security for that matter. The only requirement relating to security is the one which is appended as a condition to your cert requiring you to take "reasonable precautions to ensure, as far as it reaonably practicable, that the firearms and ammunition to which the certificate relates do not come under the control of unauthoriserd persons" - I forget the specifc wording but that's the general gist of it. The police cannot force you into having a gun cabinet if you have other security methods in place which meet the above criteria. Having said that, it is the case that an approved cabinet will be the easiest and cheapest method of meeting the criteria.

 

I moved house 4 years ago and I seriously considered doing away with cabinets altogether and having a secure gun room with the guns on the wall and a separate cabinet for ammunition. This is perfectly acceptable and the Home Office say so in their guidance - even going as far as to giving guidelines on how to bring the room up to an accepeptable standard.

 

The condition still applies when you are away with your guns. The pertinent part of it are the bits which say "reasonable security precautuions" and "as far as is reasonably practicable". Obvciously it isn't reasonable nor practicable to take your gun cabinet with you so you have to do as best you can whilst adhering to the condition on your cert.

 

J.

[RicW 67]

Also remember that even if tha hotel doesn't have a gun cabinet ir will heve a safe to keep cash in. Ask if they would store your bolt and ammo.

 

Ric

[Nik_B 3,790]

I was wondering this also what if you went camping somewhere you had permission to shoot?

 

Would having it locked in the boot of your car count?

 

I heard a rumour that a member of a gun club had a copper try to arrest him for leaving his gun unocupied in his car when he got out to open his front door. He wasn't prosecuted in the end...might be total bull....

[Deker 3,478]

I was wondering this also what if you went camping somewhere you had permission to shoot?

 

Would having it locked in the boot of your car count?

 

I heard a rumour that a member of a gun club had a copper try to arrest him for leaving his gun unocupied in his car when he got out to open his front door. He wasn't prosecuted in the end...might be total bull....

 

You have to take all reasonable precautions!

 

In general whilst camping it would seem to be safer to leave the gun in the boot, and bolt/ammo in glovebox, whatever, locked, and hopefully alarmed car.

 

On the face of it this would seem a much better option than in a canvas or nylon tent.

 

The situation needs evaluating and the best options taken...so a car can be fine!!!

[Nik_B 3,790]

Thanks mate, that could make for some seriously fun holidays, I love the idea of getting out in to the great out doors for a bit of sport.

[mj robson 8]

When I get overseas visitors coming to shoot with me Fife police will not issue a Visitors Permit unless they are staying in a B&B or Hotel with a secure firarms safe, of which there are several in this area. If you are coming to Scotland look for the hotels that regularly take shooters and most of them should have gun safes.

 

Mark.

[adamb 0]

so if you dont need a gun cabnet why do the police not accpet your application for a shot gun or rifle lience unless you have it bolted to the wall. if that the case yo could say it under the bed and the house is alarmed you could say it is safe there but i dnt tink the police would be happy with that, also why do people get arrested when broking into when they dont have they guns in a cabnet ?

 

not trying cause arguments here am just stating what ive herd and gone by

 

adam

[JonathanL 4]

Also remember that even if tha hotel doesn't have a gun cabinet ir will heve a safe to keep cash in. Ask if they would store your bolt and ammo.

 

Ric

 

If the safe is in the room and only you have access to it then this is ok. If it's the hotel safe at the check-in desk then you cannot do this as they will be in unlawful possession of the bolt and ammo and you will get done for allowing them to be.

 

J.

[JonathanL 4]

so if you dont need a gun cabnet why do the police not accpet your application for a shot gun or rifle lience unless you have it bolted to the wall. if that the case yo could say it under the bed and the house is alarmed you could say it is safe there but i dnt tink the police would be happy with that, also why do people get arrested when broking into when they dont have they guns in a cabnet ?

 

not trying cause arguments here am just stating what ive herd and gone by

 

adam

 

Because it's different circumstances. Your home is where you are going to be keeping your guns permenently, you will be leaving them there when you are out of your house for hours, days or weeks at a time. Going away for a few days shooting is unlikely to mean that are going to be leaving your guns for too long or going very far from them.

 

It's important to understand that the condition on your cert applies all the time. However it doesn't require that the guns are stored under precisely the same security arrangements wherever you are. You need to ensure that they are subject to "reasonable" security measures and to prevent access to them by unauthorised persons "as far as is reasonably practicable". Clearly, it isn't reasonably practicable to use a gun cabinet in the middle of a field but you still have to take all those security measures which would be reasonable according to the circumstances. You just have to keep in mind the requirements of the wording of your cert and think - "can I show that I've complied with the security condition on my cert if my gun gets nicked?". So, if you are in a hotel would it be reasonable to leave the gun lying on the bed or would it be reasonably practicable to hide it under the bed with the bolt locked up somewhere else? This is why people get arrested when guns in their house get stolen because they aren't in the cabinet - the bottom line is if you have a cabinet, is it reasonable for the guns to be not locked up in it?

 

J.

[Deker 3,478]

so if you dont need a gun cabnet why do the police not accpet your application for a shot gun or rifle lience unless you have it bolted to the wall. if that the case yo could say it under the bed and the house is alarmed you could say it is safe there but i dnt tink the police would be happy with that, also why do people get arrested when broking into when they dont have they guns in a cabnet ?

 

not trying cause arguments here am just stating what ive herd and gone by

 

adam

 

Because it's different circumstances. Your home is where you are going to be keeping your guns permanently, you will be leaving them there when you are out of your house for hours, days or weeks at a time. Going away for a few days shooting is unlikely to mean that are going to be leaving your guns for too long or going very far from them.

 

It's important to understand that the condition on your cert applies all the time. However it doesn't require that the guns are stored under precisely the same security arrangements wherever you are. You need to ensure that they are subject to "reasonable" security measures and to prevent access to them by unauthorised persons "as far as is reasonably practicable". Clearly, it isn't reasonably practicable to use a gun cabinet in the middle of a field but you still have to take all those security measures which would be reasonable according to the circumstances. You just have to keep in mind the requirements of the wording of your cert and think - "can I show that I've complied with the security condition on my cert if my gun gets nicked?". So, if you are in a hotel would it be reasonable to leave the gun lying on the bed or would it be reasonably practicable to hide it under the bed with the bolt locked up somewhere else? This is why people get arrested when guns in their house get stolen because they aren't in the cabinet - the bottom line is if you have a cabinet, is it reasonable for the guns to be not locked up in it?

 

J.

 

I think J has covered this quite well, and you do not need a cabinet even at home as has been mentioned elseware, strongrooms (you would be surprised how many I have seen in old country houses), ground anchors, cellars, safes, etc etc can be acceptable in many circumstances. But at home, reasonable, is taken to mean pretty good, as this would be deemed a long term storage situation.

 

We could go on forever...but this is a quick guide..

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/security_leaflet2835.pdf?view=Binary

 

There is more here...section 19 is he most relevant

 

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/HO-Firearms-Guidance2835.pdf?view=Binary