Shortend crowned and screwcut

[halamrose 24]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

[nod 285]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

 

where in the fens are you i had my done by the gunsmith who does local gun shop took it straight to him, cost me £16 in the shop it would cost double. pm me.

[jamie g 17]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

 

where in the fens are you i had my done by the gunsmith who does local gun shop took it straight to him, cost me £16 in the shop it would cost double. pm me.

 

about £70 pound but then there is the cost of proof. you dont need it if you keep the rifle. but if you sell it on your have to get it proofed.

[Deker 3,478]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

 

where in the fens are you i had my done by the gunsmith who does local gun shop took it straight to him, cost me £16 in the shop it would cost double. pm me.

 

Screw cutting and crowning a barrel is a job that very few can do in the "garden shed", it is a process which tends to involve serious engineering tools and skills!

 

£16, as quoted above is a bargain, I know of a few who will do the job around £40, but about the best I know with proof will be around £-85. Prices seem to have come down a bit over the last couple of years!

[JonathanL 4]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

 

where in the fens are you i had my done by the gunsmith who does local gun shop took it straight to him, cost me £16 in the shop it would cost double. pm me.

 

 

 

about £70 pound but then there is the cost of proof. you dont need it if you keep the rifle. but if you sell it on your have to get it proofed.

 

I'm not sure you'd need to get it re-proofed. Peter Jackson at Jackson Rifles (I think they import and fit Reflex moderators) sought a Counsel's opinion on whether a rifle would need to be re-proofed after having been screw-cut to fit a moderator. The report (which is on their site, I believe) concluded that re-proof was not necessary. The central argument was based around the wording of the Gun Barrel Proof Act which says something along the lines that a re-proof is only required if something is done which "significantly undermines the integrity of the barrel" or words to that effect. Screw cutting doesn't significantly undermine the integrity of it so you don't need a re-proof. Applying that reasoning, I can't see that shortening it would require re-proof either.

 

Edit; found it http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/proofcounsel.htm

 

 

J.

Edited December 29, 2009 by JonathanL

[Deker 3,478]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

 

where in the fens are you i had my done by the gunsmith who does local gun shop took it straight to him, cost me £16 in the shop it would cost double. pm me.

 

 

 

about £70 pound but then there is the cost of proof. you dont need it if you keep the rifle. but if you sell it on your have to get it proofed.

 

I'm not sure you'd need to get it re-proofed. Peter Jackson at Jackson Rifles (I think they import and fit Reflex moderators) sought a Counsel's opinion on whether a rifle would need to be re-proofed after having been screw-cut to fit a moderator. The report (which is on their site, I believe) concluded that re-proof was not necessary. The central argument was based around the wording of the Gun Barrel Proof Act which says something along the lines that a re-proof is only required if something is done which "significantly undermines the integrity of the barrel" or words to that effect. Screw cutting doesn't significantly undermine the integrity of it so you don't need a re-proof. Applying that reasoning, I can't see that shortening it would require re-proof either.

 

Edit; found it http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/proofcounsel.htm

 

 

J.

 

I could be wrong here but I am getting the impression that more and more RFD accept that a re proof is not legally necessary for a cut/thread/crown and some will do it without. But, the ones who insist on proof do so simply because their own business insurers insist on it, the cover your arse syndrome, in case someone sues you for something!!

 

That seems the situation my way!

[JonathanL 4]

I like the look of the Marlin 917VS but sooner or later I'd be wanting a few changes, so how much would I pay to have the barrel shortened and screwcut.

 

Mind you I could have a bash at shortening and crowning myself - can always take it to a nice man to sort it if accuracy suffers. The screwcutting seems a bit more critical and need tools I havent got, do people do this themselves?

Cheers,

Halam

 

where in the fens are you i had my done by the gunsmith who does local gun shop took it straight to him, cost me £16 in the shop it would cost double. pm me.

 

 

 

about £70 pound but then there is the cost of proof. you dont need it if you keep the rifle. but if you sell it on your have to get it proofed.

 

I'm not sure you'd need to get it re-proofed. Peter Jackson at Jackson Rifles (I think they import and fit Reflex moderators) sought a Counsel's opinion on whether a rifle would need to be re-proofed after having been screw-cut to fit a moderator. The report (which is on their site, I believe) concluded that re-proof was not necessary. The central argument was based around the wording of the Gun Barrel Proof Act which says something along the lines that a re-proof is only required if something is done which "significantly undermines the integrity of the barrel" or words to that effect. Screw cutting doesn't significantly undermine the integrity of it so you don't need a re-proof. Applying that reasoning, I can't see that shortening it would require re-proof either.

 

Edit; found it http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/proofcounsel.htm

 

 

J.

 

I could be wrong here but I am getting the impression that more and more RFD accept that a re proof is not legally necessary for a cut/thread/crown and some will do it without. But, the ones who insist on proof do so simply because their own business insurers insist on it, the cover your arse syndrome, in case someone sues you for something!!

 

That seems the situation my way!

 

The cynic in me says that it's more to do with dealers exctracting a few more quid out of their customers as I doubt that insurers of businessess are likely to be that specific about your business practices.

 

J.

[jamie g 17]

the fact of the matter is its fine. but if you sell the rifle on then it needs to be proofed. cutting a barrel doesnt take it out of proof but screwcutting seams to. the law is grey. the simple thing to do to stay in the law.

 

is if you had the rifle done but didnt re proof it. you could get it chopped again and just sell it un screwcut.

 

for the price of getting ti chopped again tho you mite as well get it proofed.

 

as deker said alot of gunsmiths wont do it because if anything did ever happen. there insurance mite void

[Deker 3,478]

the fact of the matter is its fine. but if you sell the rifle on then it needs to be proofed. cutting a barrel doesnt take it out of proof but screwcutting seams to. the law is grey. the simple thing to do to stay in the law.

 

is if you had the rifle done but didnt re proof it. you could get it chopped again and just sell it un screwcut.

 

for the price of getting ti chopped again tho you mite as well get it proofed.

 

as deker said alot of gunsmiths wont do it because if anything did ever happen. there insurance mite void

 

This whole business still has some confusing and unresolved issues as I have just sold my .22WMR to a RFD. This was shortened and screw cut to 16inch before I bought it (NOT factory work), and has never been proofed since!!

 

So the RFD I bought it from sold it to me unproofed, and the one I sold it to, bought it, and will presumably sell it unproofed!!

 

Interestingly the RFD I have just bought my NEW .22WMR from, also cut and threaded it, and sold it to me unproofed!!

 

Not at all confusing is it!! :wacko: :crazy:

[JonathanL 4]

the fact of the matter is its fine. but if you sell the rifle on then it needs to be proofed. cutting a barrel doesnt take it out of proof but screwcutting seams to. the law is grey. the simple thing to do to stay in the law.

 

is if you had the rifle done but didnt re proof it. you could get it chopped again and just sell it un screwcut.

 

for the price of getting ti chopped again tho you mite as well get it proofed.

 

as deker said alot of gunsmiths wont do it because if anything did ever happen. there insurance mite void

 

Screw cutting probably won't take a barrel out of proof according to that barristers opinion. His opinion seems to be well formed going from the wording of the GBPA. The only question which matters as far as the Act is concerned is whether screw cutting the barrel unduly reduces it in strength. Unless you are starting off with a very thin barrel (which is extremely unlikely) then it clearly isn't going to unduly weaken it.

[JonathanL 4]

the fact of the matter is its fine. but if you sell the rifle on then it needs to be proofed. cutting a barrel doesnt take it out of proof but screwcutting seams to. the law is grey. the simple thing to do to stay in the law.

 

is if you had the rifle done but didnt re proof it. you could get it chopped again and just sell it un screwcut.

 

for the price of getting ti chopped again tho you mite as well get it proofed.

 

as deker said alot of gunsmiths wont do it because if anything did ever happen. there insurance mite void

 

This whole business still has some confusing and unresolved issues as I have just sold my .22WMR to a RFD. This was shortened and screw cut to 16inch before I bought it (NOT factory work), and has never been proofed since!!

 

So the RFD I bought it from sold it to me unproofed, and the one I sold it to, bought it, and will presumably sell it unproofed!!

 

Interestingly the RFD I have just bought my NEW .22WMR from, also cut and threaded it, and sold it to me unproofed!!

 

Not at all confusing is it!! :wacko: :crazy:

 

Your rifles aren't out of proof because whatever has been done to them has not unduly reduced the barrel in strength.

 

The other problem is that even if it were illegal in the majority of cases the CPS would never get a conviction because they would be unlikely to be able to prove to the relevant crimninal standard that a gun wasn't proved in it's current state. Lots of new rifles are imported, screw-cut and then sent for proof. How then would they be able to show that any particular rifle wasn't in that state when it went to proof originally?

 

J.

[Deker 3,478]

the fact of the matter is its fine. but if you sell the rifle on then it needs to be proofed. cutting a barrel doesnt take it out of proof but screwcutting seams to. the law is grey. the simple thing to do to stay in the law.

 

is if you had the rifle done but didnt re proof it. you could get it chopped again and just sell it un screwcut.

 

for the price of getting ti chopped again tho you mite as well get it proofed.

 

as deker said alot of gunsmiths wont do it because if anything did ever happen. there insurance mite void

 

This whole business still has some confusing and unresolved issues as I have just sold my .22WMR to a RFD. This was shortened and screw cut to 16inch before I bought it (NOT factory work), and has never been proofed since!!

 

So the RFD I bought it from sold it to me unproofed, and the one I sold it to, bought it, and will presumably sell it unproofed!!

 

Interestingly the RFD I have just bought my NEW .22WMR from, also cut and threaded it, and sold it to me unproofed!!

 

Not at all confusing is it!! :wacko: :crazy:

 

Your rifles aren't out of proof because whatever has been done to them has not unduly reduced the barrel in strength.

 

 

The other problem is that even if it were illegal in the majority of cases the CPS would never get a conviction because they would be unlikely to be able to prove to the relevant crimninal standard that a gun wasn't proved in it's current state. Lots of new rifles are imported, screw-cut and then sent for proof. How then would they be able to show that any particular rifle wasn't in that state when it went to proof originally?

 

J.

 

I don't have any issue with this and to be honest I don't care..it is the "authorities" that seem to want to make some sort of issue of this.

 

I also hear what you say about "aftermarket" cut/threads and re proof. That one is actually quite easy beacause of blueing on the threads, and barrel lengths, and even the type of thread, proof mark ends up at the end of the barrel next to the thread in this case as well....BUT you are right as well, being 100% sure of cut/proof time, could not be proved without a shadow of doubt in many case so a conviction would not result!!!

 

Seems to me it would all be a lot simpler if we just had a test case and/or the law was clarified!!

[bigears 205]

just had my 17mach2 chopped to 161/2" cost £50 plus vat had it back within 2 hours, the gun shop that did mine was in Scotland and said and i quote they don't have to be re-proofed in Scotland

[raynard 0]

Halamrose, try whittlesey gun shop, a mate of mine took a rifle to him for screw cutting the rifle was ready for collection the next day, cost about £30,

[stillair1 16]

I would check the accuracy of the std rifle before you go shortening etc as a bench mark.

 

neil