Low standards...... too low

[biza hollis 27]

Dont care about anyone elses standards the dogs that us lads use meet our standards week in week out and can be trusted to see the job through to the end thats all that matters that your happy with your own dogs and own standards to much wondering what everyone else is doing instead of doing what there doing atb an happy new year biza

[scent 509]

i tell ye one thing there is some beauties on here after reading some of them posts.What makes me laugh even more is the lads that commented on this thread are far too quick to talk about diggin lads behind their backs and they know who im talkin about

[Gin 498]

Seems that the £££££ may well be what its about. I have just got back from Lamping with my lurcher. I bumped into a lad with his Lurcher and two terriers. having a bit chat about the land and his dogs. He has a couple of very good earth dogs,- one a Jack Russell he had paid £30 for from a lad at Ashington, Northumberland, because the lad said its too big for showing, but its "big" enough to go to ground, and recently took two foxes from a field drain. His other earth dog is a bit marked at the moment, so resting up. Getting a good earth dog because its no good for showing, says a lot.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

Great thread so far

 

How would you go about breeding if you bought a bitch in from no fancy named working stock and the bitch is everything a working bitch should be, game, stays. just perfect.

how would you hope to carry a line on?

in D.H's new book he tried it and it didnt work out, would you forget about that bitch and buy in from a different known family line?

 

im not into breeding terrier unless i want one, (or im stupid and my young unentered dog bangs my bitch)..

[WILF 46,687]

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Edited December 31, 2009 by WILF

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

This is turning into a good topic, is there any lads on here who have bred from a bitch of unknown breeding and produced top quality terriers for generations after? I've got a good mate who has a couple of good dogs from a bitch of unknown breeding but it's too early to say whether the outcross was a success or not, depending on the pups they produce etc.

 

 

[marrajack 1]

HH,Ur away off the mark saying that the standard of working terrier is low.From my experience of Terrier men,the ones that talk the most,usually are the ones that keep and breed shit and are only in it for the easy money.The true honest TERRIERMEN work in close tight groups,keep their terriers and themselves to themselves.Alot of trust has to be built up before u would be invited out for a dig and rightly so! To be honest if a person is genuine and hardworking enough it is easy enough to come in contact with these true honest TERRIERMEN, and it would not be long before u would see genune honest terriers. IF u were invited out then and asked one of these men to work their dogs again,thats the last time u would be out U said in ur post that over 15yrs ur stock has weakened,does this mean that ye kept on breeding from stock that was not 100% digging dogs. As we ourselves breed a litter every year that would be 15 litters and nobody would have clicked on that something wasnt right.

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This has been a good thread with some strong opinions, and to be fair I agree with a few, without the exclusion of others.

At the moment my opinion there are dogs that are at least the equal of any terrier ever bred in this country, and these are worked and bred as described above. these lads will very rarely invite outsiders into the circle without trust being built up and have no interest in breeding selling pups because of all the shite about - human and canninie.

 

There is only one true standard, find and stay to describe a true working dog, how this is accomplished may be in a different style, which is open to opinion - bay/mix etc. This is also not to say that a lad with a bolter who only works rocks or big earths is lesser, because to him it is the right tool, so I will not look down on him, but it aint 100% working terrier

 

Lastly for me only one type of dog is dead game, so if a dog walks of once in a 100 digs is it useless? Again my thought is that virtualy all working terriers may have at sometime potentially walked off, but may have been in the kennel that day they are all not unbreakable.

[fish 148]

Cloud nine? maybe. I'm sure there are some decent lines around p***y. The people i hang around with have had, over the last 15 years, some of the best single handed dogs you could wish to work over. But one fundemental fault that accured at the begining of this ten - fifteen year spate of serious dogs is that the wrong sire got the credit due to a dishonest man. So after the blood of great workers slowly got thinned down to the water we have at the minute, by using the dishonest mans blood (dont get me wrong, his dog was excellent too, but not the Xblood) we ended up with substandard stock. So breeding from what was left was a waste of time.

So after hearing about great dogs from guys boasting and breeding from, i decided to check them out. One dig p***y is no grounds that i myself would judge a dog on. If a dog is mad fresh he can work a treat but quickly go back to his true colours afterwards. That is why i like to see a couple of digs. One today and one to the same quality tomorrow is fine.

I'm not cutting at anyone that i have not met, only the men and dogs i have seen and creating a survey in my minds eye of the rest of the country.

about 25yrs ago there was a good dog given out on trial they dug him four days on the trot he was a hard dog he walked out on the fifth they gave him back as a heap of shite these were so called geninue terriermen of there time

[J Darcy 5,871]

Alot of its about the man behind the dog also.....

 

I have seen more than my fair share of macho types and i have generally found that they never seem to have success with terriers. I do not believe this to be a co incidence....

[poacherman 353]

a man a i use to know was mad about terriers for years. he had some realy strong terriers. i was only a teenager when a seen him coming back from a days digging. dogs faces smashed to bits. heard a lot of what he done with his terriers. this man use to inbreed his terriers. never ever bred with other dogs just his own. son to mother, sister to brother. it was madness. but all his dogs were strong looking middleton looking terriers. some of the best terriers ave ever seen, look wise because a never seen them work to first hand, just seen the state they were in when he came back. this man would hardly ever sell or give away a dog. ave heard of two he gave away and they done the job but just not his cup a tea. put it this way the couple of dogs that got gave away were the lucky ones. this mans rule was if the terrier never stayed till he dug down the terrier was getting killed aswell. many of terriers were found round about the area we hunt. evil man that took his standards too far. he doesnt keep dogs now and has moved away.

 

atb poacherman

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

Evil?? If the dogs aren't staying till dug then the only thing to do is pts!!

[waidmann 105]

HH,Ur away off the mark saying that the standard of working terrier is low.From my experience of Terrier men,the ones that talk the most,usually are the ones that keep and breed shit and are only in it for the easy money.The true honest TERRIERMEN work in close tight groups,keep their terriers and themselves to themselves.Alot of trust has to be built up before u would be invited out for a dig and rightly so! To be honest if a person is genuine and hardworking enough it is easy enough to come in contact with these true honest TERRIERMEN, and it would not be long before u would see genune honest terriers. IF u were invited out then and asked one of these men to work their dogs again,thats the last time u would be out U said in ur post that over 15yrs ur stock has weakened,does this mean that ye kept on breeding from stock that was not 100% digging dogs. As we ourselves breed a litter every year that would be 15 litters and nobody would have clicked on that something wasnt right.

 

 

 

my point exactly.

[Catcher 1 639]

I cant see that setting standards high is a problem. If you dont set it high its only a matter of time that failure will trip you up. I havent named anyone and i wouldnt on a public place like this, but yes if i felt someone was talking up a reputation for a dog rather than earning that reputation well then yes i would and have told these people to face. wittheir h the dog When i travel to see these dogs i'm having a private interview to see if he might be the next stud dog. Most of the time i find that their not. I'm not lying to anyone, just putting it into words as i see it.

Back to when i said that the majority of people that will read this will most likely have low standards and not even realise it, why get upset. if you get upset over this then you must think i'm talking about you. Dont read into it too much, i might be wrong.

The 10-15 year story, lets say ten as the last five were the slow down years. The dog that produced the xblood pups was not given the credit. another dog was falsely given the credit. The xblood pups were bred backwards and forwards with the wrong dog (the wrong dog could produce, but not to the standard we thought we were after). The xblood was starting to thin out but once and a while the xblood pup would be lined with a quarter xblood pup strengthening the blood again. We did not know at the time so the wrong dog still got the credit. And so the snowball grew. When the truth came out in the end, alliances were severed and alot of hard work thrown out the window.

Dont get me wrong, when i asked where have all the honest dog men gone, i'm not physically seeking them. it was more of a statement than a question.

 

 

 

 

Is this guy for real

 

if i felt someone was talking up a reputation for a dog rather than earning that reputation well then yes i would and have told these people to face. wittheir h the dog When i travel to see these dogs i'm having a private interview to see if he might be the next stud dog. Most of the time i find that their not. :glare:

 

 

Who sets the bench mark for standards.Not this prick 15 years rookie.I think every individual sets there own by the best dog they owned.A lot of us stick to small tight groups and let no one in.If your lucky you,ll experience one great dog in a lifetime and set a bench mark by it.Get all the rest to average your doing well. Irrespecttive of line or breed.Standards are only met by your own dogs achevments on the feild. Not to credit a dog you had to travel to see

[the_stig 6,614]

Great thread so far

 

How would you go about breeding if you bought a bitch in from no fancy named working stock and the bitch is everything a working bitch should be, game, stays. just perfect.

how would you hope to carry a line on?

in D.H's new book he tried it and it didnt work out, would you forget about that bitch and buy in from a different known family line?

 

im not into breeding terrier unless i want one, (or im stupid and my young unentered dog bangs my bitch)..

i started in this way i had 3 working bitchs i found a 7 yr old dog of differant breeding that was still working and had produced working progeny from bitchs of differnt lines from these matings i held back a dog once proven he became my stud and a bitch that went back for a father daughter mating ..

[MISTY 11]

Alot of its about the man behind the dog also.....

 

I have seen more than my fair share of macho types and i have generally found that they never seem to have success with terriers. I do not believe this to be a co incidence....

There are just as many shxte so called terriermen as shxte dogs around imo.