Low standards...... too low

[jonesy 111]

I wouldnt say everyones standards have slipped,ive met a few lads over the years with really good dogs but dont broadcast it,everyone dosnt want to be famous or someone jumping over their fence taking dogs,there not in it for the money and only breed to quality dogs and generally give pups away with the understanding that if it dosnt work it gets dealt with not passed around,I know there are plenty people in it for the money but your going to get that in everything from dogs to budgies.

[tony.d1 0]

i think these are the truest words spoken on this forum i agree with every word

[Waz 4,252]

Sound more like 'Angry Hunter' rather than 'Hungry Hunter'! LOL.

 

Dug a few yesterday, went on to check a few other places no-one at home, would have been quite happy to dig to my bitch again. As I knew there was more in her engine, she had to find her quarry first after they dug thereselves in due to other dogs having a look, a handy dig with her. Other more testing digs ive had WITH HER I wouldnt use her again for a few days.

 

Point im trying to make is, maybe these folk you are asking the owners to use their dog for a second and third dig, and they say no, arent you being selfish calling/saying they have low standards, youve been trusted enough to be invited!!!. Maybe they know theyre dog has had enough for one day and has the dogs best interest at heart? Sounds like you are taking the piss out of them, have you told them to their face they have low standards? Maybe the dog hasnt got it in them for a 2nd/3rd, maybe the dog gives 200% in one dig, there are some dogs that are not fit to be dug to twice in the same month.

 

Anyway, keep on digging.

[fionn 21]

firstly i dont think a dog can be judge on one dig but over the course of a season if people offer to bring you out digging there dogs you should be glad and not talking about them or there dogs if your digging that long and you know what you want in a dog its your own fault not to have some top class dogs as for dave hardcombe books i admire what his done for terrierwork and his a gentleman but ther are a lot of good young unknown lads around him digging very good dogs my opinion

[FLATCAP 6]

Cloud nine? maybe. I'm sure there are some decent lines around p***y. The people i hang around with have had, over the last 15 years, some of the best single handed dogs you could wish to work over. But one fundemental fault that accured at the begining of this ten - fifteen year spate of serious dogs is that the wrong sire got the credit due to a dishonest man. So after the blood of great workers slowly got thinned down to the water we have at the minute, by using the dishonest mans blood (dont get me wrong, his dog was excellent too, but not the Xblood) we ended up with substandard stock. So breeding from what was left was a waste of time.

So after hearing about great dogs from guys boasting and breeding from, i decided to check them out. One dig p***y is no grounds that i myself would judge a dog on. If a dog is mad fresh he can work a treat but quickly go back to his true colours afterwards. That is why i like to see a couple of digs. One today and one to the same quality tomorrow is fine.

I'm not cutting at anyone that i have not met, only the men and dogs i have seen and creating a survey in my minds eye of the rest of the country.

SO YOU WANT TO SEE A WORK WHEN HES SORE

[waidmann 105]

Cloud nine? maybe. I'm sure there are some decent lines around p***y. The people i hang around with have had, over the last 15 years, some of the best single handed dogs you could wish to work over. But one fundemental fault that accured at the begining of this ten - fifteen year spate of serious dogs is that the wrong sire got the credit due to a dishonest man. So after the blood of great workers slowly got thinned down to the water we have at the minute, by using the dishonest mans blood (dont get me wrong, his dog was excellent too, but not the Xblood) we ended up with substandard stock. So breeding from what was left was a waste of time.

So after hearing about great dogs from guys boasting and breeding from, i decided to check them out. One dig p***y is no grounds that i myself would judge a dog on. If a dog is mad fresh he can work a treat but quickly go back to his true colours afterwards. That is why i like to see a couple of digs. One today and one to the same quality tomorrow is fine.

I'm not cutting at anyone that i have not met, only the men and dogs i have seen and creating a survey in my minds eye of the rest of the country.

 

i take it that this is the basis of you theory? due to one man mating the wrong dog the whole line failed over 15 years? surely this dog was not the only sire over that time after say...a couple of years someone must have noticed?

it sounds to me that a good dog/litter was suceeded by dogs who were not up to the job,disapointing you and your mates (understandably). that you have taken it upon yourself to find a better dog than the stock you now have and are getting frustrated.....

 

some of the lads here have told you they have good dogs,go and see them work.

i fear the standard is overall not too low( each man will ultimately judge his own team as i said in the previous post)could it be you are looking for an exceptional dog once seen???

[Guest busterdog]

I've just read David Harcombes latest book. I found it refreshing as its the first book on terriers and their work that i have bothered to read. The reason i found it refreshing is because I read more or less what i've been thinking/practicing.

Its provoked me enough to start a topic on here. As was reading a book on the subject this is a first too. I enjoyed reading about his love of and more so his devotion to the upkeep in quality of the earthdog and even moreso the honest terrier man. I find it very hard to find good dogs but even harder to find honest men.

The standard of working terrier has dropped to a very low standard. I do not have what i would consider a good dog and havent had one for the past three years. But, the dogs that i do have, most of the so called terrier men i have met all over the country would, (if they were their own)would make them out to be top notch..... worth breeding from. They would make excuses for them..... he's too big, its not a stop end, blah blah blah.

I have to agree with Davids comments on breeding in the book. Breed close and use the best within this. I've seen dogs fail and still be bred from and sold to unsuspecting, unexperienced lads just trying to get on the ladder so to speak. This turns my stomach. These men are most likely the lazy so and so's that don't bother to back fill after their failures.

I've also travelled far to see good dogs working. I love the sport, i don't have to own the good dog in the earth, i equally enjoy digging to another mans dog working well. I find it hard to even find good consistant dogs anywhere let alone a good line of terrier. Many times of late i have travelled to see some good dogs work, lets put it like this, some of them worked well. But when asked to see the dogs work a second or a third (this was pushing it). Either the owner or the dog said no.

Most of the people that will read this post will have low standards, they mightened even realise it. I am of the opinion that if the dog isn't good enough for me well then he's not good enough for anyone, unless for a pet. I've seen some soft hearted people pass on dogs for free only to see others to pocket from it. One bitch in particular was useless, wouldnt enter the ground. Passed on for free, then sold, then the bitch was lined with an equally bad sire. The pups were lately advertised for a crazy price with all sorts of lies attached to them. What a prick.

Where have the honest men and their dogs gone?

 

TO BE HONEST I THINK YOUR LIVING IN CLOUD 9,IF YOU THINK THE STANDARD OF TERRIER WORK HAS DROPPED, AND LADS OUT THERE DONT HAVE A GOOD LINE, GUYS LIKE YOUR SELF TEND TO HANG AROUND IN COMPANY WITH GUYS THAT THINK THE SAME AND DO THE SAME. IF A GUY TAKES YOU TO THE COUNRTY TO DIG A GOOD WORKING TERRIER AND THE DOG IS DUG, AND THEN YOU ASK HIM TO DIG HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN, IT SHOWS YOU WOULD NOT KNOW A GOOD DOG IF IT BIT YOU IN THE ASS, READING YOUR POST IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR THE VICTIM OF BUYING USELESS DOGS / PUPS. YOU BE BETTER OFF SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON PETROL AND GETTING OUT DOING SOME DIGGING, THAT GIVING IT TO D. H., IT BEATS ME WHY OR HOW PEOPLE GET UP-SET ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES DOGS, OR OTHER PEOPLES STANDARDS.

 

Spot on p***y, the dogs are out there but they just don't or shouldn't be given to just anyone.

[topscaff 4]

TOTAL B......S

[micheal rennicks 17]

i dig same lads week in week out,this is the reason pure nonsense being triped out here.dog sore he goes box next dog.

[Catcher 1 639]

Here we go again.I can do feck all with my dogs .So blame everyone else.Makes my teeth itch .I dont work terriers myself but i have a few friends who do.Standards are very high and dam good at the job.Billy no pals some people dont have to run all round the country to see a good dog work.Who are you to ask anyone to push a dog to the limit.A good owner will know how much the dog can do in a day.If you what more bring your own dog up front or just stick to digging.(Must have been out the night they mad you god) :wankerzo4: OO I LOVE A GOOD RANT

[topscaff 4]

why put a good dog back in when its done its job just ta take more punishment!cant see the point? as for making money out of pups,ya just dont sell ta any body!i would rather give a pup to some one a new, with the under standing,if it fails for what ever reason fetch it back!dont sell it on....NEVER SELL TA MAKE YOUR SELF MONEY

[crackpot 29]

well to be honest i would say thats the most insulting post ive seen in a while most folk have low standards why not get off your high horse and say that most folk have different standards that dont suit the way you work your dogs. if my dog has done well. it will need more than a day off to recover. and if i was asked to work it again. the answer would be f.uck off. there is truth in a lot of the things you say. what yardstick do you use for these standards. do we judge all our terriers by other folks standards or our own? i judge my dogs simply by the job they need to do. if they can do what i need then they are up to my standard. it gets a bit boring listening to folk ramming there idea'of terrierwork down everyones throuts. my dogs only have to suit me. messers are in avery walk of life. i just avoid them. and keep my own company.

 

one of the biggest problems in the working terrier world in my opinion is standards that are set to high.

 

if i was to talk down to folk like that i would feel i had to have a good set of credentials. no wonder there are divides in the fieldsports world. live and let live i say

 

[undisputed 1,664]

well to be honest i would say thats the most insulting post ive seen in a while most folk have low standards why not get off your high horse and say that most folk have different standards that dont suit the way you work your dogs. if my dog has done well. it will need more than a day off to recover. and if i was asked to work it again. the answer would be f.uck off. there is truth in a lot of the things you say. what yardstick do you use for these standards. do we judge all our terriers by other folks standards or our own? i judge my dogs simply by the job they need to do. if they can do what i need then they are up to my standard. it gets a bit boring listening to folk ramming there idea'of terrierwork down everyones throuts. my dogs only have to suit me. messers are in avery walk of life. i just avoid them. and keep my own company.

 

one of the biggest problems in the working terrier world in my opinion is standards that are set to high.

 

if i was to talk down to folk like that i would feel i had to have a good set of credentials. no wonder there are divides in the fieldsports world. live and let live i say

 

 

Very good sensible reply

[stormyboy 1,352]

H.H.-in your first post you state that the standard of working terrier has become GENERALLY poor.You must have travelled far and wide to make such a sweeping statement.

Next it seems,you are blaming one man for ruining YOURS and your friends terriers?

Maybe you should be "sharing your feelings" with those who have pissed you off rather than slating dogs and their owners generally.

[Guest ghostinthedarkness]

one of the biggest problems in the working terrier world in my opinion is standards that are set are to high. no wonder there are divides in the fieldsports world.

WHAT BOLLOCK'S.Standard to high if standard's were kept high the working terrier(digging dog's) would'nt be in such a mess/ decline and full of 3/4 charlie's a year shit and the 30 plus show's a year shit(it quit but he look's good and can bolt a fox and can win alot of show's)or in the case of other's look at me i want to be famous and the dig's are 2 foot deep BUT THERE THE BUSINESS or the other's that breed off shit because a made name SAID IT'S THE BOLLOCK'S BUT WAS'NT.reading between the line's thought the original post started was a about 100%digging dog's and how stand's are low......too low(which in reading this thread they are).read a post on here posted from jonsey(summed it up to a tee)THERE'S those's that have a high high standard and those that are happy with anything that look's good, most these day's are happy to have a looker that can spend all summer in the ring but only 3/4 days in the field doing rat rabbit and a few fox'es .now off to barbados for three week'S,happy hunting and a happy new year to all