Advantage of bull in a lurcher

[bull101 35]

quote...would be interested to know what it adds to the lurcher that just used to take pre ban hares and rabbit.

 

No one in there right mind would go and buy a bullx to just take rabbits and hares.???????

 

 

maybe so but people like to know what certain breeds add to the mix, so they can have a better understanding of a certain type

[coursing mad 5]

bull x = a none rabbit killer.

 

would you go out with a shot gun too kill a rat its the same thing.

 

 

[old school 547]

quote...would be interested to know what it adds to the lurcher that just used to take pre ban hares and rabbit.

 

No one in there right mind would go and buy a bullx to just take rabbits and hares.???????

 

 

 

 

 

i'll probably get laughed at lol...

plummer wrote about a fella that owned a 1st cross bull/greyhound, it was built like a middleweight boxer that could continue lamping rabbits long after the owner had wanted to retire... i believe that part to be true about a vast majority of bull cross lurchers... and if they fail on fox i think its a shame that they dont get passed on as rabbit dogs instead of being pts... if you get one with a racey frame and soft mouth its as good a rabbit dog as any JMHO!

[bull101 35]

bull x = a none rabbit killer.

 

would you go out with a shot gun too kill a rat its the same thing.

 

 

a very INEXPERIENCED answer!!, you have not had much experience with lurchers have you

[foxlamper80 28]

quote...would be interested to know what it adds to the lurcher that just used to take pre ban hares and rabbit.

 

No one in there right mind would go and buy a bullx to just take rabbits and hares.???????

 

 

 

 

 

i'll probably get laughed at lol...

plummer wrote about a fella that owned a 1st cross bull/greyhound, it was built like a middleweight boxer that could continue lamping rabbits long after the owner had wanted to retire... i believe that part to be true about a vast majority of bull cross lurchers... and if they fail on fox i think its a shame that they dont get passed on as rabbit dogs instead of being pts... if you get one with a racey frame and soft mouth its as good a rabbit dog as any JMHO!

 

well said lad have to agree with you

[mark.a 0]

quote...would be interested to know what it adds to the lurcher that just used to take pre ban hares and rabbit.

 

No one in there right mind would go and buy a bullx to just take rabbits and hares.???????

 

 

 

 

 

i'll probably get laughed at lol...

plummer wrote about a fella that owned a 1st cross bull/greyhound, it was built like a middleweight boxer that could continue lamping rabbits long after the owner had wanted to retire... i believe that part to be true about a vast majority of bull cross lurchers... and if they fail on fox i think its a shame that they dont get passed on as rabbit dogs instead of being pts... if you get one with a racey frame and soft mouth its as good a rabbit dog as any JMHO!

 

 

while i agree with your sentiment don,t quote me with bloody plummer

[poacher3161 1,766]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

[old school 547]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

 

 

 

 

i understand that people got money from the foxes they caught in those days so it makes sense that a bullx lurcher became ideal but i still think the right type can have many uses... i've a racey 3/8bull 5/8grey that i'm hoping to do a bit of rough shooting with because she will carry everything so well... the other week she retrieved a shot pigeon but it fell at her feet so it didnt count for much...

[WHITEYrs4 29]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

 

I have to disagree with that bull in a lurcher has nothing to do with edible quarry I think its how much bull it has in it and what it is crossed with and its all about trying to balance it out right! I have been out with alot of bull crosses and I have to admit that some are overly powerful and do the job really well, I have also been out with alot who cant catch sh*t but when they use another lurcher to fetch it down it finishes it big time but most of the bull crosses that I have lamped with have been absolutely excellent no problems whatsoever! Im not saying they are the best breed but they are certainly up there with one of the best lurchers you will ever get and like one or two people have mentioned on here they recover extremely well with injury and they dont seem to back off as much. Not being a di*k to you poacher3161 but alot of people who dont go out with bull xs very often just think they are only there for one thing and they are so wrong! I just put this post up about my dog how many non bull xs do you know that could give a background like my dog? http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=135065

[poacher3161 1,766]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

 

I have to disagree with that bull in a lurcher has nothing to do with edible quarry I think its how much bull it has in it and what it is crossed with and its all about trying to balance it out right! I have been out with alot of bull crosses and I have to admit that some are overly powerful and do the job really well, I have also been out with alot who cant catch sh*t but when they use another lurcher to fetch it down it finishes it big time but most of the bull crosses that I have lamped with have been absolutely excellent no problems whatsoever! Im not saying they are the best breed but they are certainly up there with one of the best lurchers you will ever get and like one or two people have mentioned on here they recover extremely well with injury and they dont seem to back off as much. Not being a di*k to you poacher3161 but alot of people who dont go out with bull xs very often just think they are only there for one thing and they are so wrong! I just put this post up about my dog how many non bull xs do you know that could give a background like my dog? http://www.thehuntin...howtopic=135065

You have obviously had great success with your dog and he is a credit to you.I dont know how long you have been in the lurcher game but nobody would take a chance on a bull cross lurcher just for rabbiting.Having kept and worked lurchers for more years than i can remember i have been more than happy with the crosses i have had devoid of bull blood for the edible quarry that i have only hunted and the bull crosses i have seen run would not change my mind to have one unless i was hunting quarry that bite back.atvb dell

[WHITEYrs4 29]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

 

I have to disagree with that bull in a lurcher has nothing to do with edible quarry I think its how much bull it has in it and what it is crossed with and its all about trying to balance it out right! I have been out with alot of bull crosses and I have to admit that some are overly powerful and do the job really well, I have also been out with alot who cant catch sh*t but when they use another lurcher to fetch it down it finishes it big time but most of the bull crosses that I have lamped with have been absolutely excellent no problems whatsoever! Im not saying they are the best breed but they are certainly up there with one of the best lurchers you will ever get and like one or two people have mentioned on here they recover extremely well with injury and they dont seem to back off as much. Not being a di*k to you poacher3161 but alot of people who dont go out with bull xs very often just think they are only there for one thing and they are so wrong! I just put this post up about my dog how many non bull xs do you know that could give a background like my dog? http://www.thehuntin...howtopic=135065

You have obviously had great success with your dog and he is a credit to you.I dont know how long you have been in the lurcher game but nobody would take a chance on a bull cross lurcher just for rabbiting.Having kept and worked lurchers for more years than i can remember i have been more than happy with the crosses i have had devoid of bull blood for the edible quarry that i have only hunted and the bull crosses i have seen run would not change my mind to have one unless i was hunting quarry that bite back.atvb dell

 

As long as you are happy with what youve got and your dog is happy thats all what counts! Happy hunting!

[poacher3161 1,766]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

 

I have to disagree with that bull in a lurcher has nothing to do with edible quarry I think its how much bull it has in it and what it is crossed with and its all about trying to balance it out right! I have been out with alot of bull crosses and I have to admit that some are overly powerful and do the job really well, I have also been out with alot who cant catch sh*t but when they use another lurcher to fetch it down it finishes it big time but most of the bull crosses that I have lamped with have been absolutely excellent no problems whatsoever! Im not saying they are the best breed but they are certainly up there with one of the best lurchers you will ever get and like one or two people have mentioned on here they recover extremely well with injury and they dont seem to back off as much. Not being a di*k to you poacher3161 but alot of people who dont go out with bull xs very often just think they are only there for one thing and they are so wrong! I just put this post up about my dog how many non bull xs do you know that could give a background like my dog? http://www.thehuntin...howtopic=135065

You have obviously had great success with your dog and he is a credit to you.I dont know how long you have been in the lurcher game but nobody would take a chance on a bull cross lurcher just for rabbiting.Having kept and worked lurchers for more years than i can remember i have been more than happy with the crosses i have had devoid of bull blood for the edible quarry that i have only hunted and the bull crosses i have seen run would not change my mind to have one unless i was hunting quarry that bite back.atvb dell

 

As long as you are happy with what youve got and your dog is happy thats all what counts! Happy hunting!

You are right as it would be a boring old game if we all kept the same type of dogs and had the same opinions.

[~Dick~ 0]

There's been some good points mentioned here.

I've plenty o years o ownin, workin an bein rahnd bull x's.

I'd like to through consideration to eyes, ears an skin into the mix of attributes mentioned.. I had a great dog 'Striker' who after a days fox drivin on the 'fens' workin cover, findin an attendin to shot foxes, was asked by the farmer if we wanted to run a hare. The mantle was picked up as an oppertunity to run a fen hare was not to be missed. A good an more than fair slip(not by choice...more circumstance) a half dozen turns an bingo. Job done.

Bull x stamina, grit, ability to learn from its turns an a genuine love of doin what it does best....course an catch when alot of others have had enough.

Rabbits? Day and neet. Admittedly as many rabbits came from 'hedge catches' (where alot of supposedly more intelligent lurchers would pull up) due to its willingness to go the extra 3 yards .

I'm not mentionin other quarry as thats not the question on the title.

I had a bull gh collie that had a personal bull x best wi this dog. 13 rabbits, live to hand in half hours lampin on a wet neet. Same dog had another great bull quality. Eagerness to please. Ps.i dont know what % collie was in 'Bryn' but you couldn't see it in him or his work.

Great thread...

My tuppenth. Dick

[WHITEYrs4 29]

I'm not anti any breed of dog, they all have their strong points and they all have their weaknesses. Their good points have already been pointed out so I won't repeat other people's comments.

 

I've only seen 2 bull xs work. One problem that I know the owner had was breaking one to stock (he was used for deer). He beat seven sorts of sh**e out of the dog (so he said) to try to stop it but he just couldn't do it (he bought it as an adult so the problem wasn't his making). I think that because their pain receptors are genetically altered so that they don't feel pain as much during fighting, that this can make them very difficult to train using punishment, which is commonly used.

 

Also, you say that they recover faster from injury. But do they actually heal or do they just not react to the pain of an injury? Are you running an injured dog?

 

Both dogs I saw work are now dead due to colliding with trees etc. How common is this? This would be a problem for me. I don't want to put 2 or 3 years work into a dog, train it, feed it, clean up after it, pay vet and feed bills to have it kill itself at a young age. I like a dog to think for itself, to make its own judgements and not rely totally on me. Do they have a problem learning from their mistakes because they don't feel the pain so they don't see them as mistakes until it's too late?

 

Well personally I can only really answer 1 or 2 of your questions on there, out of all the lurchers bull x I have been out with they are all still alive and as for colliding with trees all breeds of lurchers are vulnerable to this.

And as for [Do they have a problem learning from their mistakes]well do you think if they did they would be as popular as they are today. and as for feeling pain of course they do, they just seem to take it on the chin that little bit more

[undisputed 1,664]

IMHO bull ads nothing to a lurcher that is only used for edible quarry it was only the rise in the popularity of lamping foxes as a sport due to the plummer book merle as i never heard of anybody in the 70s or early 80s around my way [s.yorks] just keeping a lurcher for foxing.Then all of a sudden from the late 80s this cross became very popular due to their succes on quarry that bit back more so than any other lurcher devoide of bull blood.

 

 

 

 

i understand that people got money from the foxes they caught in those days so it makes sense that a bullx lurcher became ideal but i still think the right type can have many uses... i've a racey 3/8bull 5/8grey that i'm hoping to do a bit of rough shooting with because she will carry everything so well... the other week she retrieved a shot pigeon but it fell at her feet so it didnt count for much...

 

 

Foxing was a whole different ball game back then to what it is now when you could get upwards of £15 for a good pelt so the less damage the better the price. There was no point in letting a dog rip the fox to pieces. Back in the day it was a way to earn a living of sorts not like today were it's just for sport.