Dog size choice

[steve109 43]

look hear matey....fact i own working dogs....my mrs breeds and shows dogs...ive been in the game since the 80s....so i no [bANNED TEXT] im on with.....so in future foice your opinion to threads as they are asked.so if you think your big dogs are better than all smaller ones then you must be..ignorant,,, then YOU need to be seeking...ADVICE.. yourself......

 

what size and type are your running dogs steve109?

was brought up with the smiths and gaskins of this world..[merlin and eve] era the best....been in the game ever since but kept myself to myself if you know [bANNED TEXT] i mean.....at the moment ive got 2 bitches. 1 bull/whipp and bed/whipp/bull/whipp.....also 2 terriers i use for anything there allrounders.......

[steve109 43]

yeah at the amount of food it eats....and shit you have to pick up.........why would anyone need to have anything bigger than lets say 25in......

Steve ive read your posts since youve been on this site & you talk total f*kin shite you stick to your kc dogs & leave the working dogs to the lads that know the craic

if my post are fecking shite why av you been following them...it doesent make sence....

[lampinglurcher 36]

if we're goin to play together, we must play nicely

as far as dog size goes i think it depends on the type of terrain you hunt and what quarry you are going to hunt. for the hunting i do i need a big, powerful dog. it would be unfair to set a weaker ittle dog on those big red things i like to hunt.

[Guest furryferter]

I have not been following them but the ones ive read ive thought you spoke pish just like 90% of the clowns on here now adays ,Ive been on this site since the very start but had to change my name recently ,I was also a member of the original HCH when it was a secret forum where all the lads were genuine ,Ive watched this site become the skeleton of its former self it used to be the best hunting site bar none now it is just full of cyber hardmen ,antis ,bullshitters & know it alls that know f&k all & have never grafted a decent dog .

where are all the genuine lads on here nowadays the lads you could rely on to give honest answers to good threads the lads that have done it & do it day in day out .

getting back to the drivel you came out with about small dogs ,a big dog can do everything a wee dog can do but a wee dog cant do everything a big dog can do any of the lads that have run dog s will tell you that

[steve109 43]

I have not been following them but the ones ive read ive thought you spoke pish just like 90% of the clowns on here now adays ,Ive been on this site since the very start but had to change my name recently ,I was also a member of the original HCH when it was a secret forum where all the lads were genuine ,Ive watched this site become the skeleton of its former self it used to be the best hunting site bar none now it is just full of cyber hardmen ,antis ,bullshitters & know it alls that know f&k all & have never grafted a decent dog .

where are all the genuine lads on here nowadays the lads you could rely on to give honest answers to good threads the lads that have done it & do it day in day out .

getting back to the drivel you came out with about small dogs ,a big dog can do everything a wee dog can do but a wee dog cant do everything a big dog can do any of the lads that have run dog s will tell you that

like i said matey ive had plenty of running dogs of all shapes and sizes and thers nothing a 24in carnt do what a big dog can do and thats my opinion [forums all about] so if your saying that 90% of people on here..QUOTE are.. clowns bullshitters and know feckall.....maybe this site is not for you.....PS.your dogs must be somthing very special,,,id like to see them. where are you from.. pm me will sort somthing out one night.........steve..

[gaza 508]

ill be getting a bull x pup in a month or so i think there due to drop about now how tall do you reckon the pups will make. 3/8 bull 3/8 grey 2/8 whippet. Im hoping the whippet in it will produce a smaller lighter dog than your typical 3/8 5/8 the dam a half cross is only about 22/23 inches.

[steve109 43]

they sound good to me mate....

[Ratreeper 441]

f*****g forums aye :11:

 

Thanks for the replies before things went off track. I reckon my answer will be use common sense and get out there and see for myself some more hunting of all types before i commit to my own dog. Just going to take my time and try and learn from some good lads but its looking like they might be hard to find . But then i can have an educatated opinion as it looks like opinion plays a big part in the dog world on every little thing, its probably what makes all hunting so addictive and you can't stop

[Guest Nightwalker]

you do not need a dog that stands 10ft tall to do any job.......

 

30+ years running large game (and I'm not talking about little foxes and roe) had taught me that for the largest game you need a big strong dog - therre really is no substitute for size and strength

Edited September 23, 2006 by Nightwalker

[Guest Nightwalker]

you do not need a "big bull cross" for foxes, pre-ban i have seen 22" beddyxwhippets nailing them no problem.

 

As for fallow deer question, i would imagine you would need quite a sizey dog. Must be strong, most fallow does can weight 100lbs. Although there is well was, a good strain of running dog, that was known to single handed take RED deer.

 

 

In the good old days I have taken fallow bucks up to 200lbs in weight. I used to run them fallow regularly, day after day and I wouldnt consider using a dog of less than 27" and ideally 29-30". Large deer like fallow, sika and red do not just fall over or give up. Its unnecessarily cruel to use small dogs which cause horrendous injuries and dont have the weight strength to do the job humanely - they might take the odd one, causing a lot of avoidable suffering in the process, but if you do this sort of thing regularly then something big and powerful is what you need . Having seen deer run off with small dogs trying to hang on to them, and having later killed that deer and seen the injuries caused by those dogs I really wouldnt recommend this to anyone. A lot of really horrible injuries are also caused to smaller deer species by dogs which dont have the strength or technique to kill them quickly and cleanly

 

I have seen all UK species of deer taken by dogs and it's worth bearing in mind that many Southern fallow deer are as big as northern reds. Living is much easier for red deer in the midlands and the south and red deer down south generally are much much larger, heavier and stronger and take an awful lot more stopping than those living on the open hills up North

[colliejohn 840]

you do not need a "big bull cross" for foxes, pre-ban i have seen 22" beddyxwhippets nailing them no problem.

 

As for fallow deer question, i would imagine you would need quite a sizey dog. Must be strong, most fallow does can weight 100lbs. Although there is well was, a good strain of running dog, that was known to single handed take RED deer.

 

 

In the good old days I have taken fallow bucks up to 200lbs in weight. I used to run them fallow regularly, day after day and I wouldnt consider using a dog of less than 27" and ideally 29-30". Large deer like fallow, sika and red do not just fall over or give up. Its unnecessarily cruel to use small dogs which cause horrendous injuries and dont have the weight strength to do the job humanely - they might take the odd one, causing a lot of avoidable suffering in the process, but if you do this sort of thing regularly then something big and powerful is what you need . Having seen deer run off with small dogs trying to hang on to them, and having later killed that deer and seen the injuries caused by those dogs I really wouldnt recommend this to anyone. A lot of really horrible injuries are also caused to smaller deer species by dogs which dont have the strength or technique to kill them quickly and cleanly

 

I have seen all UK species of deer taken by dogs and it's worth bearing in mind that many Southern fallow deer are as big as northern reds. Living is much easier for red deer in the midlands and the south and red deer down south generally are much much larger, heavier and stronger and take an awful lot more stopping than those living on the open hills up North

not everybody works their dogs on deer,i agree with you that you need a big strong dog just for working this quarry but a dog of this size and statue would be to big and heavy for general rabbit work. regards collie john.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Nightwalker said,.."I have seen all UK species of deer taken by dogs and it's worth bearing in mind that many Southern fallow deer are as big as northern reds. Living is much easier for red deer in the midlands and the south and red deer down south generally are much much larger, heavier and stronger and take an awful lot more stopping than those living on the open hills up North"...

 

Spot on there....

[thurso jack 3]

So from the comment on this thread i can take that a big dog will take rabbits right up to reds with good results where as a small dog will take rabbits up to possibly a roe with good resluts on the smaller stuff, so bearing this in mind it seems a no brainer, given your intended quarry.?

[bolio 51]

For what it's worth I like to stay well away from extremes, ( well.....unless it's EXTREMELY good at catching ).

Somewhere around the middle ground is a size that is "big enough" to be capable of doing the job and still "small enough" to have the agility, athleticism and stamina required to get there. It all depends on what "the job" is.

I can think back to two of my own dogs as examples. One was Fly, a whippet/greyhound /Irish terrier mix about 23" which caught hares for fun, would scoop up daytime rabbits in a flash or run the lamp all night long, and never refused a fox.

The other was a huge deerhound lurcher called Fawn which I never saw pick up a rabbit, was only able to kill kick-up hares and even then had to be within the first dozen or so turns before he ran out of wind.

I sold him to a guy who only hunted heavy gear and Fawn became quite renowned over here as a supreme fox slayer. On various occasions witnesses saw the dog retrieving foxes that he'd caught and killed out of the beam, over five barred gates as easy as a lab with a snipe.

 

I've never hunted deer, but if I had, I'd have kept Fawn for that game and for foxes.

 

For everything else the little dog Fly was EXTREMELY better. :11:

[Eggy 0]

For what it's worth I like to stay well away from extremes, ( well.....unless it's EXTREMELY good at catching ).

Somewhere around the middle ground is a size that is "big enough" to be capable of doing the job and still "small enough" to have the agility, athleticism and stamina required to get there. It all depends on what "the job" is.

I can think back to two of my own dogs as examples. One was Fly, a whippet/greyhound /Irish terrier mix about 23" which caught hares for fun, would scoop up daytime rabbits in a flash or run the lamp all night long, and never refused a fox.

The other was a huge deerhound lurcher called Fawn which I never saw pick up a rabbit, was only able to kill kick-up hares and even then had to be within the first dozen or so turns before he ran out of wind.

I sold him to a guy who only hunted heavy gear and Fawn became quite renowned over here as a supreme fox slayer. On various occasions witnesses saw the dog retrieving foxes that he'd caught and killed out of the beam, over five barred gates as easy as a lab with a snipe.

 

I've never hunted deer, but if I had, I'd have kept Fawn for that game and for foxes.

 

For everything else the little dog Fly was EXTREMELY better. :11:

 

Makes sense

 

Cheers

Eggy