Advice with Paterdale & lakeland[size="4"][/size]

[Shoot 0]

Hi, I am in need of advice with my dogs.

 

I have just inherited two dogs; a paterdale and a lakeland.

 

Generally these dogs get along really well, however from time to time they will turn on each other with no apparent warning.

They do not seem to give up when fighting and have done some damage toeach other in the few weeks that I have owned them.

They are approximately 3 years old.

 

I welcome your advice as I am not familiar with these breeds or there characteristics.

 

 

[demon digger 1]

Hi, I am in need of advice with my dogs.

 

I have just inherited two dogs; a paterdale and a lakeland.

 

Generally these dogs get along really well, however from time to time they will turn on each other with no apparent warning.

They do not seem to give up when fighting and have done some damage toeach other in the few weeks that I have owned them.

They are approximately 3 years old.

 

I welcome your advice as I am not familiar with these breeds or there characteristics.

 

 

best to separate them before you come home to a dead dog.

[mushroom 12,925]

All the upheaval will be effecting them, as said before seperate them until they settle into their new surroundings and don't show favour to one more than the other as this can prolong the problem (ain't jealousy a MF )

We had this problem with my mrs boys when she moved into my house who previously had never so much as growled at each other. I came home one lunchtime to find claret and fur sprayed all around the room including the ceilings which were 11 footers. Serious carnage and vets bills later they've settled down and chilled out again but seperating them was the best prevention.

[Shoot 0]

All the upheaval will be effecting them, as said before seperate them until they settle into their new surroundings and don't show favour to one more than the other as this can prolong the problem (ain't jealousy a MF )

We had this problem with my mrs boys when she moved into my house who previously had never so much as growled at each other. I came home one lunchtime to find claret and fur sprayed all around the room including the ceilings which were 11 footers. Serious carnage and vets bills later they've settled down and chilled out again but seperating them was the best prevention.

 

 

I hear what your saying..... I think the dogs occassionaly fought before.

 

Also they will share a basket, eat together, sit in front of the fire together etc etc for a few days, then they just snap... So how would I know if I seperated them when an appropriate amount of time had passed?

[mushroom 12,925]

Mate ours would sleep together eat together etc leave them alone for a bit and whack... visit to the vets. Watch them very carefully note their body language see who the aggressor is, when you've worked this out you can then start to pick up when it's going to happen the ephasis is on you being able to stop it before it happens. The Dog that is starting it knows it's going to do something, the dog that is about to be attacked knows something is about to happen and acts either defensively or submissively all this is accompanied by body language (it's the same with us ie getting up in someones face is deemed an aggressive act) and it can last from less than a second to a full growling (shouting) match prior to a good fisticuffs.

 

As for knowing when they are ready to be left alone again together only you will know this and be prepared that they can't be left alone together ever again, it depends on the cause of the problem.

 

ATB Kie

[Bradford Lad 74]

It's a dominance thing mate, their normal pack has been disrupted, they may see you as the pack leader but both are fighting to be 2nd top dog, this usaully ends with one of the dogs backing down or unfortunately neither backs down and one ends up dead. Your choices are,seperate them or have one nuetered(not garenteed to work tho!!)

 

Hope they sort em selves out for you.

 

BL

[Shoot 0]

I have observed them now for approx two weeks; in that time they have fallen out about five times.

There is no prior body language, no large warning, they literally start to growl and are at each other in a matter of seconds.

The lakeland is the more domninant of the two, he seems to be the first to growl and the first to be the aggressor.

The other does not act defensively, instead they seem to both attack eac other.

The odd thing is that after they have fought and I have disciplined them I then have put them back together in an attempt to tell them that they need to get along, and at this time neither dog will look at the other. Even if you turn them they do all they can to avoid each others eye contact.

[mushroom 12,925]

Just because they are both up for the fight doesn't mean one isn't being defensive.

If the lakeland is more dominant then deal with the lakeland as someone else said it's about who's next in the pecking order.. with ours it was the pattjack causing the sh1t starting on the neutered old boy along with a few other things we changed one was making a big show of supporting the older boy as number 2 giving him his food first, waiting untill he'd finished before feeding the others, stroking him and telling the others to go to bed even taking him to the pub on his own as opposed to all of them getting to go. All this and believe me it was hard work eventually reinforced the status of cooper with the rest of the dogs and the fighting ceased..... Touch wood

[Shoot 0]

Thanks for your advice.

 

I would also welcome any other opinions from other members.

[Hepher 86]

SHOW THEM SOME WORK.

[Shoot 0]

SHOW THEM SOME WORK.

 

 

I don't disagree witht this, however I have taken the dogs on because my brother in law has passed away. I am a shooting man, but not altogether familiar with terrier work. I would be grateful for advice/instruction on working these dogs or I would be grateful to bring them to you or for you to visit on my permissions to try them out and educate me!

 

If anyone is interested in this I am based near Brackley, South Northamptonshire.

[fionn 21]

build two kenells for them one will kill the other in time if you dont the minute your backs turn they go at it

[Shoot 0]

build two kenells for them one will kill the other in time if you dont the minute your backs turn they go at it

 

 

If I were yto build a kennel for this breed what size would they need?

Would they need a heater?

[Shoot 0]

I took these dogs out with me for a day last wednesday, they worked well and hard all day, they have been fine with each other since.

Tonight the patterdale had a ball as soon as the lakeland saw it they were at each other.

I threw a nearby blanket over them and set about splitting them up, unfortunately the blacket just confused them next thing I had the lakeland clamped on my hand whilst i was trying to seperate the patterdale with my free hand.

 

Three or four kicks up the arse later and they're as good as gold again and Iv'e got four puncture holes some lossof blood and a swollen hand

 

.... Bugger theyr'e strong little dogs!

[mushroom 12,925]

I took these dogs out with me for a day last wednesday, they worked well and hard all day, they have been fine with each other since.

Tonight the patterdale had a ball as soon as the lakeland saw it they were at each other.

I threw a nearby blanket over them and set about splitting them up, unfortunately the blacket just confused them next thing I had the lakeland clamped on my hand whilst i was trying to seperate the patterdale with my free hand.

 

Three or four kicks up the arse later and they're as good as gold again and Iv'e got four puncture holes some lossof blood and a swollen hand

 

.... Bugger theyr'e strong little dogs!

 

:icon_eek: :icon_eek: and you put your hand in there :rofl: :rofl:

 

 

Sorry for laughing mate I know that had to hurt..............

 

but you put your hand in there :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: