Who says Terriers

[lone wolf 0]

obviously you know what terriers are for and this has been a bonus good on you mate regards lone wolf

[Guest Haggler]

Now if I told you I had Patterdale terrier that flushed a pheasant for me, which I shot and the terrier retrieved, swimming a drainage ditch to complete the task, the same the little bitch busted brush in the costal range and kicked out a nice four point buck that I shot the front leg off of and used the bitch to follow the blood trail where she jumped it again and I finally finished it off with a shot to the boiler room, And then she turned around and caught a flight to the east coast with me to put 6 ground hogs, two raccoons and a fox in stop ends for me to dig to over three days of hunting you'd probably say I had used her for the wrong purpose somewhere along the way but what the hell, she performed all the tasks with precision and I was just trying to keep up with her and do my part.

 

When she got back home she played ball toss with the grandkids before crashing in her overstuffed chair in the living room. Carbon and I might be doing it all wrong but we’re having a blast as we go about doing it.

 

Granted, I wouldn't try using the little stub as a lurcher but other than that she performs a lot of tasks perfectly.

 

 

 

Haggler

Edited September 24, 2006 by Haggler

[Ratreeper 441]

If you don't like this then don't watch this vid :11:

 

[targa 5]

Hagler, be proud to have such an alrounder mate. It means that you put a lot of time into your dogs.

[Guest JOEB]

Although Ratreepers video is a proverbial nail in the coffin. IMO

 

Now that really is FFS.................if Chief got mad over the 1st post...........he will murder the first bloke he bumps into after watching that shite.

JOEB

[Ratreeper 441]

i found it searching for different hunting words to see what i could find. Why the f**k would she get such a pure working dog, killer and warrior dance around a ring? :sick:

 

Sorry for going off thread

[Simoman 110]

i found it searching for different hunting words to see what i could find. Why the f**k would she get such a pure working dog, killer and warrior dance around a ring? :sick:

 

Sorry for going off thread

 

Tell the truth you were looking for an agility club to take your dog to

[targa 5]

i found it searching for different hunting words to see what i could find. Why the f**k would she get such a pure working dog, killer and warrior dance around a ring? :sick:

 

Sorry for going off thread

 

4/5 of all breeds dont have to do where they are bred for, stupid people everywhere. If you dont want to see this anymore in the future, you have to go stricktly breeding litters, consequent for "terrierman only" , like they do in Germany with the DJT.

Who's having the character to send someone home without a pup, becouse its gonna be a pet dog? when that someone can easaly earn 125£ for that pup?

If you now you have to cull it ( and earn nothing) when nobody else is interrested in that pup?

[Rainmaker 7]

Six of one half a dozen of the other imho. After all if you feel that strongly as LOCKE said just don't sell pups to pet homes. Considering the hundreds of litters for sale every season, and the re-advertised stock every week, it seems there are more than enough pups to go around.

 

Consequently, it's either don't breed so many (another thread in itself) and no chance for 'spares' for pet homes, or knock some on the head after the fact (to prevent them going to pet homes).

 

Thing is does it really change anything? So long as you're buying terriers from someone who DOES work them, surely the extra rabble held by the pet lot doesn't affect the working terrier any more than a pet Boxer would? After all they (the pet terriers) are no longer working dogs - and therefore the point becomes moot.

 

We're still working them, still breeding working stock, and selling working class pups. If terriermen own say 50% of a breed (genuine working stock) and pet people own the other 50%, somehow taking away the pet owner's share doesn't mean there are more 'real' terriers, simply less terriers over all and the ones around all do the biz. Ideal, yes - but thing is like I said what harm were the other half doing? You surely weren't about to breed your bitch to Mrs Pet Owner's terrier now, were you?

 

When people start breeding and selling pups as purported working dogs (when the parents can't catch a cold) that's a problem. But it's a problem in any breed and in working dog circles more than any, and more to do with puppy milling than it is pet ownership! What becomes of the 'extra' pups sent to pet homes isn't really here or there so long as you don't buy back from pet owners hoping for a working dog?

 

At least the bird in the vid bothered to get out and do SOMETHING with her dog, and didn't stick it in a box or on a chain for the rest of its life while she went out on the pi$$.

 

But maybe I'm just soft.

 

It's true that if it WAS the other way around, and nobody except true working terriermen (whatever they are, and if you could find one) kept the dogs (and therefore had been a bit more choosy who they sold to in the first place!) it would mean that yes the breeds would be much more 'rare', and the ones you found would be little gold nuggets.

 

Thing is, it's still possible to find a good terrier in a working terrierman's hands (still a gold nugget) - you just ignore the pet stuff advertised in the Loot and the local rag as surely as if they'd been advertising cocker spaniels. Anyway I'm rambling.

[Guest MOLLY]

Everyone seems to be forgetting. This lad owns an Irish terrier not a pure bred digging dog.

This dog is the size of some small lurchers, and was never intended for digging.

Can those of you complaining about him chasing rabbits please explain what he should be doing with the dog

 

From various WWW sites...

The Irish Terrier is a member of the terrier group. They were originally bred as watchdogs and for hunting vermin. Today they are used for coursing, hunting vermin, companions and also seen in the show ring.

 

The Irish Terrier is intelligent and a specialist in hunting rabbits and otters due to its very good sense of smell. Because of its strong prey drive, it should not be trusted with other small pets, as it will kill small animals without hesitation.

 

It has been used through-out its history as a general purpose farm dog, and besides ratting it has also been used to a limited extent as a soft-mouthed retriever.

 

I know they dont mention lamping .... but, whats the problem, still killing prey it was intended for?

I'd love to go and watch

How many times have we had threads about how you never see many irish lurchers, because you can never get a good working Irish. He would make a handy lurcher crossed with a good greyhound

MOLL.

[Rainmaker 7]

Getting back on topic, have to agree there Moll Good luck to the lad, again at least he's off his arse (and the internet!) and doing something that isn't in the anti camp

 

Agree that it'd be a nice cross to a gh or even a good whippet.

Cheers.

[jpt 284]

Funny enough I went to look at a litter of whippets at the weekend. I am unsure as to which role my dog should play out in the field as he is 20 inch to the shoulder. He can not go to ground although he tries! I have no idea how to hunt for rats and the only other thing left for him to have ago at is rabbits. He loves it so thats good enough for me.

 

I would just like to say to all of those who work there terriers to ground that if you breed working dogs then somewhere along the line one of them is going to end up as a pet. Is this really so bad as long as the dog is happy? Just because the dog is not worked does that mean that it could not work? It seems to me that some people look at a dog as a tool they can use for working and nothing more. To me this is fine because the dog is doing what it loves most but what about all the other things that all living things need? If the dog is well cared for then that to me is most important.

 

What do you think to that?!

 

JPT

[Guest oneredtrim]

I've witnessed two pet KC I/Terriers peg rabbits from open play, one of them presenting it to it's owner who was disgusted and seemed more intent on making last orders. Non of the catches were sitters and the dogs had no previous instruction from thier owners in how to go about kopping the jinky furry merchant. So now the young fella finds his charge is at the same game (capable of catching it's tea), fair enough it's hardly Minshaw/Coney Catcher (sorry Philip) fame...but if he gets the dog all steady like and creeping about the fields with him then the dog will surely become more proficient and hopefully ever more steady. Eventually it will stumble across Mr. Charliegator in some cover and the rightfull owner of the title will be contested, lets hypothesize that Charlie been "one arrowed" for a minute, i cannot imagine after that it will refuse a rat/mink/squirrellstoat...sum in to that i have never heard of an irish type of terrier not being a vigilant gaurd and at this point even the numbest of twats will be starting to think "what the f**k do i want to go digging for"...and they call the irish thick ....."FFS".

 

If your reading this our kid..then do yourself a little favour....realise what you already have.

 

Oneredtrim.

[targa 5]

You'r right molly, its the same with the kerry bleu, the fox terrier... If I had an irish, it should be a ratter or a mink killer or Nutria and musk rat, and I think he can be very usefull on wild boar drives. Why do people in the UK dont work these fine dogs anymore? Since the otter is protected? Its a very impressive dog to me, who deserves better, so let him be pure.

 

So lad, you have the permission to go after the rabbits tonight , as long as you remember that this breed is capable to do much more as chasing rabbits :11: Make yourself and the dog a rat and mink hunter mate

[Guest MOLLY]

Because Tarqua, it is only legal in Britain to kill rat or rabbit, even mink is now illegal, so in reality he is using the dog to the best of its ability, much harder for a terrier to kill a rabbit than a rat..

MOLL.