yellow belly 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 WOW! i just read this entire thread, you lot "down under" have it made! im not just a little bit jealous but a whole bloody lot! your pig running looks amazing! and the dogs look fantastic, are they purley for hunting or are they part of the family too!? im also sorry to hear about the loss of the dogs! but one last question i've not seen or over looked on here, what are your dogs protection made from!? and is it put on like a harness over there heads!? cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Makim 116 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 The dogs are very much a part of the family... Tha 'plates' (breastplates) that our family use are commercially made for hunters from shadecloth. About seven layers are stitched together to make a light protective cover that is tough for a boar to penetrate. They are lifted up from under the dog's brisket and straped over the back of the neck and the dog's back. Other plates in Oz are made from lift strap, seatbelt material, some conveyor belt type stuff and leather. It's about stopping tusks but the dog might also have to run a km or two in it to get the pig so they have to be light and quick cooling as overheating kills more dogs than pigs out here. Cheers and thanks again everyone for your interest. I am almost startled at the level of readership... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hollands hope 1,024 Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) Sorry to hear you lost a few of your dogs Ned. one other thing tho, looking at the video you put on here i see you cut the artery of the pig is this the best way to finish them, or do you also stick them in the heart Edited February 18, 2010 by hollands hope Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratkilla 35 Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Still READING your thread Ned, sad news about the dogs hope thats the end of bad luck for you. Are there any guys local that keep lurcher/stag type dogs mainly for foxs ? Or are they mainly just shot ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Makim 116 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Re sticking the pigs it's either/or... sticking them in the throat is how you do it for the human consumption market and Paul is in that habit. You can stick them in the heart if you are just pest control/dog fooding them. Re fox dogs, most foxes are shot in our area but in Victoria and southern NSW blokes use stags and roo dogs to catch them. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waidmann 105 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 i would think a roo could do some damage to a dog too? do they put up a fight when caught? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Makim 116 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 It's illegal to chase roos with dogs. But in the old days it was done and yes roos can kill a dog very quickly. If they were chased into a dam they stand up and wait for the dogs to swim to them then hold the dog under the water until it drowns. A big buck roo could also open a dog up with a kick, properly open a dog up. Roo dogs are a remnant from early settlement and look like a smooth stag. But as I said chasing them with dogs is illegal because all Oz native animals are protected by law. Roos can be shot under licence though but it is very strict... Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waidmann 105 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 thanks for that ned just curious as iv'e heard that roos can be pretty nasty. yours in sport. michael Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hurlock 114 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Hello ned Love the thread and would love to hear some of your tips on training headstrong dogs and how to 'break' this. I keep a few GWP's and the dogs are notoriusly hard headed, once sorted they are a dream but i'd be interested to hear your techniques about making all decisions for them and the long lead? Thanks for a great thread. Hurlock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 i would think a roo could do some damage to a dog too? do they put up a fight when caught? I'm sure I read somewhere just before Christmas that a farmer was nearly disembowelled by a Roo that was trying to drown his dog in a dam near Victoria. He said he only escaped due to the water being shallow and the Roo kicking him away. Maybe Ned could confirm this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Makim 116 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I'll lift some stuff from my blog about long lead training as soon as I have another moment. Also slightly off topic...are any of you involved in book publishing. I have a few draft chapters done on things I've seen and done and my family says it should be a book (like all families...ha ha). Don't know how that all happens. Any advice? Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Makim 116 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Re the bloke being hurt by a roo. That makes news elsewhere but here in the bush it's not really considered news. It's just stuff that happens. The story as you suggested sounds authentic. In my youth when I had less control of dogs I have had encounters with bailed or held roos. A big roos arms are as thick and muscular as a big man. They are nice looking and stuff but I had one dog pounce on a resting roo which stood up taller than me (I am 5 foot 10 or so). It lifted the dog (a big stag type) off the ground by the collar, leant back on its tail and kicked with it's legs. The one thick, pointed nail on the roo's foot caught the dog under the front leg (armpit...) and the leg flapped back like you might butcher a sheep. Very quick and startling devellopment. I was about 20 and a wise old Uncle with me sent me off to get some stuff from the truck. He knew the dog was gone and was saving me from that last gasp. They are not to be underestimated. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the lamping ferreter 160 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 that is top quality what type of dogs are they ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Makim 116 Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 that is top quality what type of dogs are they ?? They are Makim dogs, it's all in the thread. Look back about five posts and the base breeding is there. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waidmann 105 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 from what i've read untill now the book would be worthwhile reading.i know i'd buy it! as i said in a previous post bud i'd think about the dvd/video too( maybe the book would spiral off from that)? atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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