BULLDOUG 199 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Just gone out to two of my Staffy bitches in there kennel and there was quite a bit of blood about, my one bitch has a small bite wound to her face and theres bits of bone in the bed. I can only assume a rat has entered there run and they've shared it, we live next to a brook so there always close. Bit concerened now as to weather the rat was poisened or diseased. Will keep a close eye on them tonight. What ya reckon lads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
black lab 3 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Just gone out to two of my Staffy bitches in there kennel and there was quite a bit of blood about, my one bitch has a small bite wound to her face and theres bits of bone in the bed. I can only assume a rat has entered there run and they've shared it, we live next to a brook so there always close. Bit concerened now as to weather the rat was poisened or diseased. Will keep a close eye on them tonight. What ya reckon lads? Would not worry to much mate, as secondary poisoning if it was only a rat it would not have enought poison in its system to kill your dog, might end up being sick if that? would clean out the cut and keep your eye on it, was at the vet with my lab last year and it ate something along those grounds and vet gave me the all clear and it was more than a rat and that had been poisoned! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Just gone out to two of my Staffy bitches in there kennel and there was quite a bit of blood about, my one bitch has a small bite wound to her face and theres bits of bone in the bed. I can only assume a rat has entered there run and they've shared it, we live next to a brook so there always close. Bit concerened now as to weather the rat was poisened or diseased. Will keep a close eye on them tonight. What ya reckon lads? Would not worry to much mate, as secondary poisoning if it was only a rat it would not have enought poison in its system to kill your dog, might end up being sick if that? would clean out the cut and keep your eye on it, was at the vet with my lab last year and it ate something along those grounds and vet gave me the all clear and it was more than a rat and that had been poisoned! Thanks for that mate, ive cleaned her up well and given her antibiotic, usually they drop the rat as soon as theyve shook it, but thats because there ready for the next one, this lil b*****d entered the wrong kennel lol Cheers buddy BULLDOUG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
black lab 3 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Just gone out to two of my Staffy bitches in there kennel and there was quite a bit of blood about, my one bitch has a small bite wound to her face and theres bits of bone in the bed. I can only assume a rat has entered there run and they've shared it, we live next to a brook so there always close. Bit concerened now as to weather the rat was poisened or diseased. Will keep a close eye on them tonight. What ya reckon lads? Would not worry to much mate, as secondary poisoning if it was only a rat it would not have enought poison in its system to kill your dog, might end up being sick if that? would clean out the cut and keep your eye on it, was at the vet with my lab last year and it ate something along those grounds and vet gave me the all clear and it was more than a rat and that had been poisoned! Thanks for that mate, ive cleaned her up well and given her antibiotic, usually they drop the rat as soon as theyve shook it, but thats because there ready for the next one, this lil b*****d entered the wrong kennel lol Cheers buddy BULLDOUG Have a nice one mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Just gone out to two of my Staffy bitches in there kennel and there was quite a bit of blood about, my one bitch has a small bite wound to her face and theres bits of bone in the bed. I can only assume a rat has entered there run and they've shared it, we live next to a brook so there always close. Bit concerened now as to weather the rat was poisened or diseased. Will keep a close eye on them tonight. What ya reckon lads? Would not worry to much mate, as secondary poisoning if it was only a rat it would not have enought poison in its system to kill your dog, might end up being sick if that? would clean out the cut and keep your eye on it, was at the vet with my lab last year and it ate something along those grounds and vet gave me the all clear and it was more than a rat and that had been poisoned! Thanks for that mate, ive cleaned her up well and given her antibiotic, usually they drop the rat as soon as theyve shook it, but thats because there ready for the next one, this lil b*****d entered the wrong kennel lol Cheers buddy BULLDOUG Have a nice one mate slangevar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Are your dogs up to date with their jabs? Rats living near water carry Weill's disease - leptospirosis. It is lethal in dogs if it develops, and since one of your dogs was bitten she is at risk. More vet's fees but worth it. RicW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Are your dogs up to date with their jabs? Rats living near water carry Weill's disease - leptospirosis. It is lethal in dogs if it develops, and since one of your dogs was bitten she is at risk. More vet's fees but worth it. RicW Cheers RicW as i do a bit of ratting with all my Staffs there all up to date with jabs, but thanks for the warning kidda, Weill's disease is a nasty killer as you say, i dont think many dogs recover from it. Although i know of an American Bulldog to recover having been on a drip etc... and that dog had only been playing on flooded ground. ATB Dougie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fresh earth 47 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 we never poison rats that our dogs may come into contact with we trap them but my mates lakie pup and whippet got a rat passing through the kennel about 2 weeks ago by the time i got into the run it was eaten i wouldnt worry about it fox's etc eat the likes of rats every day if they are going to catch something from them what difference will it make swallowing one to having about 30 bleeding in there mouths on a ratting trip if they are gonna catch something the will catch it whether they eat them on spit them back out . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my hounds 307 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 HUMANS CAN ALSO GET WEILLS DISEASE,IT CAN ENTER THROUGH A CUT IN SAY THE HAND.AS FAR AS I AM AWARE ITS FROM THERE URINE,SO IF YOUR MESSING ABOUT IN YOUR GARDEN PLEASE BE CAREFULL.MORE SO IF CHILDREN PLAY IN THE GARDEN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Correct. In my home town the canal towpath is a popular walk. As I recollect, two dogs have died of Weill's after swimming in the cut. Every year the local paper carries a warning that swimming in the canal is dangerous because of Weill's. A young lad wound up in intensive care after going for a swim. Some people are missing the point here. Dougie realises that it doesn't matter if the dog bites the rat, the risk is if the rat bites the dog. The infective agent is carried in the rat's saliva and urine, not in in its gut. Your dog can eat all the rats it likes, but if the rat bites back the dog could be in trouble. What a lovely subject for Christmas Day. Ric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peefa 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Correct. In my home town the canal towpath is a popular walk. As I recollect, two dogs have died of Weill's after swimming in the cut. Every year the local paper carries a warning that swimming in the canal is dangerous because of Weill's. A young lad wound up in intensive care after going for a swim. Some people are missing the point here. Dougie realises that it doesn't matter if the dog bites the rat, the risk is if the rat bites the dog. The infective agent is carried in the rat's saliva and urine, not in in its gut. Your dog can eat all the rats it likes, but if the rat bites back the dog could be in trouble. What a lovely subject for Christmas Day. Ric How does that work then. If the dog ate the rat would he not be in contact with urine and saliva? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Correct. In my home town the canal towpath is a popular walk. As I recollect, two dogs have died of Weill's after swimming in the cut. Every year the local paper carries a warning that swimming in the canal is dangerous because of Weill's. A young lad wound up in intensive care after going for a swim. Some people are missing the point here. Dougie realises that it doesn't matter if the dog bites the rat, the risk is if the rat bites the dog. The infective agent is carried in the rat's saliva and urine, not in in its gut. Your dog can eat all the rats it likes, but if the rat bites back the dog could be in trouble. What a lovely subject for Christmas Day. Ric How does that work then. If the dog ate the rat would he not be in contact with urine and saliva? Sorry, I didn't make clear that the danger arises when the saliva gets into the dog's bloodstream from the bite. The risk from swimming in infected water is that the rats pee in the water and if the dog - or human being! - has an open cut, even just a scratch, the germs can get into the bloodstream from the water. You could drink the water safely if you fancy a rat pee cocktail . . . Ric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peefa 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Ah i see. The gut flora must be able to kill it. You learn something new everyday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coldweld 65 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I agree that weill's is terrible. But it is quiet hard to get it ! I'm not making light of but just washing after being near water is all you need to do, same go's for the dogs. We all come into contact with rat p*** every week and don't even know, so do not panic ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I agree that weill's is terrible. But it is quiet hard to get it ! I'm not making light of but just washing after being near water is all you need to do, same go's for the dogs. We all come into contact with rat p*** every week and don't even know, so do not panic ! I just googled Weil's Disease. Yeuch! And Ee-ur-gh! Mostly mild but if you get a bad dose you won't die but you'll wish you could! Orrible way to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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