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[chewton 7]

This is an interesting thread. It seems everyone just accepts what they read in the papers. Theres no doubt there are idiots leaving game rotting in hedges but I wonder how many of these deer are taken by pet dogs. Some on here may like to think that only the best lurchers take deer and that they are a great test for a dog and that may be true to say if the dog is taking then day after day consistently but its just as hard to take rabbits consistently. The fact is just the same as pet dogs will catch the odd rabbit they also catch the odd deer. Theres been a population explosion of deer in this country it stands to reason that dog walkers are going to meetmore of them and sometimes their dogs will catch them. I've seen terriers catch the smaller deer species and theres enough bigger pet dogs (alsations whatever) to sometimes take the bigger species too. If you're out to catch deer you make sure its killed quick as to shut it up but pet owners end up with dogs ragging deer to death and they'll panic and go home leaving a mauled deer carcass behind them. Theres roe everywhere round our way and they are often taken by pets running out of control. Take what you read in the papers with a pinch of salt and don't always assume its one of us being a w*nker.

[flint67 2]

well mate ,if you read it again you ll find plenty of lads on this thread saying they do it to avoid getting nicked.also ian and myself have local knowledge and weve both explained it does go on , and the ones last year with the 12bore solids in em and the antlers cut off? . . . As for terriers and pets , im scratching me head a bit there, i could see how they could catch fawns , but other than that. One of the problem with day time deering , back in the day was the dog will automatically cut out the weakest , often the youngest , they do it instantly and instinctively , running flat out top speed the deer look up and as they spring off you see the dog veer onto one, old buck with a bad head , yearling ,whatevers weakest. So i imagine a cur dog would do the same. But a fully grown roe? Hmmm maybe if he surprised it by a hedge and grabbed it , aint easy to surprise roe up close though. . . .im not saying it cant happen , but im betting its fawns the pets are having. Ive seen roe leave lurchers standing , im sure we all have, when the dogs not fit .

[Guest dances]

you two are talking like your from bridport, my friend has told me alot of storys of the legendary bridport gang.

im not from bridport use to know a few from there years ago

Im not from bridport . .and im old but not that old , i didnt buy my house with the profits of welsh salmon . . . .

 

lol, at least its buying your house through a way of love you love.

[dave1372 83]

Well guys this has been an interesting topic and I will leave it at that .... so I hope everyone has a good Xmas whatever you are doing just be careful what you post on a public forum lol you never know who is watching !

[chewton 7]

Sorry if I didn't make my point very well. I wasn't trying to suggest that all the deer found had been coursed and caught by yorkies lol! Neither that none of what you say goes on. Lots of people keep dogs that can take deer as pets, rescue lurchers ,salukis HPR etc. The owners often don't realise dogs can take deer and get a shock when theirs does.When it gets found its assumed it was deliberately caught by those nasty lurchermen. The terrier comment was about muntjac. When I was a kid (well pre ban I'm afraid) we used to go bushing with our dogs and any others we could borrow and the terriers did sometimes grab a munty in the cover. I honestly think theres a rearguard action being fought right now in the media and courts by the anti lobby who can see the tories repealing the hunting act. The more court cases and media attention they can stir up in the meantime will pressure any repeal to be conditional.Why do you think poaching is now called wildlife crime. Its all spin and it ends up with police helicopters being scrambled to catch teenagers lamping rabbits! You only need to read some of the posts on at the moment to see how fragile an alliance the countryside alliance is! Lurchermen declaring class war on the fox hunting toffs and the fox hunters no doubt saying all lurcher owners are psychotic lawless liabilities ! As the repeal seems to be on the horizon thers bound to be a fight on seems a shame if ends up being between ourselves

[Catcher 1 639]

Ok so the law as it stands is a little crap, however the law is the law and i still cant see any reason for anyone who can call themselves a true countryman or for the women present (country persons) to have a reason to want to go out kill a rabbit/hare/deer and for some tosser's sheep etc etc and not take away the carcass. If we kill, we take and eat . Its not hard to understand, i actually beleive that some of the shell suited idiots on this website are actually scared of the gutting a handling of the messy bit, they dont mind playing with the hairy bits, (no change there then) but dont want to get little fingers bloody.

 

 

Blue lights and a long drive home? Not everyone has the luxary of been born and brought up the countryside where they can just pop a couple of fields over and run whatever they want.

 

And all this bollocks .. just for the food, bullshit. you do it becuase you enjoy the sport first and formost, the food aspect is a bonus, but sport is your primary concern, if it wernt you'd simple nip down the shop for your meat, its easier and cheaper over all. Nobody is starving and NEEDS the caught meat in this day and age, do they?

 

I don't like leaving deer, but when you've been chased by the keeper or plod are pulling everyone at the road side, the options of 50lbs of meat or 5 months in jail, its an easy choice.

 

You cant simply pop back for it tomorrow when you live 150 miles away! Sorry but us trackie wearing, old ladies purse snatching, drug dealing, city folk enjoy our sport too. Difference being, you country-born are lucky enough to have it all on your doorstep, we don't. So does that mean we should give up? Stick to robbing cars and getting pissed, eating kababs having a fight? Its not going to happen. If we did, you would have half the support i guarrenty that.

So lets get this right you are trying to justify that it is ok to poach and you are confirming you yourself willingly participate in poaching and breaking the law?

 

 

Get off your moral high horse.Most likely 95 percent of people on the site have did a bit of poaching at some time in there life.atb Catcher

[Lurchandhistribe 0]

we find alot of dead deer on our ground, mainly hit by cars but a porportion have been poached either run by dogs or shot and lets be clear the average walker isnt on a quad bike or in a transit at 3am in the morning with a lamp! if we catch the f*ckers I will happily call the rozzers. I aint an anti either im just fed up of finding deer with missing jaws starving or like a couple of beasts not long ago they had taken the haunches off and dumped the rest to rot!

 

happy hunting but for feck sake with some honesty & respect for your quarry.

[smiffyuk2003 5]

well i have to have a say, id been out with my brother, caught a deer. noticed a few farmers landrover lights flashing, and lamps about, they were onto us. i was about 15 the time, shitting myself. all we could hear were voices trying to find us, we dragged the dogs and the deer into a stream and waited it out for nearly 2 hour. eventually when the coast was clear got up and went home, with the deer. i know all circumstances aint like this, as we had no other option but to hide as they were coming in all directions and it made sense not to leave evidence.

 

but im sure alot of people would have just dropped the lot and legged it. dont know if it was common sense from my brother or fear as he was only 18. but it worked and ended up being a good but scary night.

[DRP 3]

It's townie chavs with no skill, no field-craft and no respect for their quarry or for anyone who lives in the countryside just coming out of the cities and ram-raiding the countyside. It's a shame that these scumbags have been encouraged by sites like this and by chav writers popularising their activities.

 

 

 

Well said!!

 

Respect for all quarry is of the upmost importance. If someone doesn't respect the animal they are hunting they shouldn't hunt, fullstop!!!! That means a quick kill (not to silence the animal to keep you out of trouble as someone stated, but a quick kill so minimal suffering occurs), these are vertebrates that feel pain, a quick dispatch is the correct and moral thing to do. Respect also means eating what you kill, if for what ever reason you don't want to eat it yourself, give it to someone else or to the dogs. Once this farmer gave me a calf (beef) that had recently died, and only for a tenner. I didn't want to eat it, could've but I was more interested in giving it to me dogs. Skinned it and dogs loved it!!!! They ate hooves n all except for the lungs and bowels.

 

I find it VERY disrespectful for someone to take a life and then just leave the body behind, Extremely disrespectful

 

Fair enough, you may have to come back to get your prize if you've been spooked. But you SHOULD go back, I don't give a FCUK if you live 5 mins down the road or 150,000 miles away!!! You take what you kill!!! If you have to stop over in a car park for a few hours or what ever before returning, you do so!!! If you poach, you run the risk of being spooked, therefore you should be WILLING to do the honorable thing and return for your catch when the coast is clear. Obviously there will be times when the land owner for example has helped himself to your catch or someone else has removed the body for whatever reason, this is out of your hands and can't be helped. But, you can learn from this and try not to let it happen again. But the attitude of I live in the city or I'm an inbred therefore I don't have to do the decent thing is BOLLOCKS!!!!! Just pathetic, childish and makes me want to smack the person in the head!

[DRP 3]

Maybe the mods on this forum should pay attention to some of the posts on the forum and get rid of the ones that seem to like bragging about poaching andd Fxck the ban! We all know the ban should be lifted! But why paint a target on yourself for the antis to take a pop at you.....not rocket science.....probabbly better to say 'you don't even need a gcse' as most of them probably dont have any gcses lol!

 

 

Spot on mate!

 

Trying to read some members posts gives me a fcuking headache!! LOL!!

[flint67 2]

i think most of this crap is just sheer modern laziness , and its all part of the same thing . . .driving fields , (in case it comes on top) bollox , driving them BRINGS it on top , (you see more gear) not true either , how about , "cant be bothered to walk ?? It aint safecracking their way its bloody ramraiding. Then we get , have to leave dead deer behind , coz its on top (again) yeah right , just not interested in dragging deer, skinning deer , butchering deer , too much like hard work . And for the guy who has to travel 150 miles to find a deer in this country , where the hell are you starting from mate ,paris ?

[chewton 7]

I do agree with most of that post. The ram raiding attitude f*cks it up for local lads who may have been working their dogs in the same area for decades.I've always just worked my dogs local but I can understand why lads drive 150 miles to run their dogs and test them on different ground and most lads who do that are genuine and show a bit of respect.I still think not every ragged deer found is the work of lurchermen. Dunno about the modern life bit though, theres more 4x4 about for sure but look back to the 80s and you'll see practically the same reports about deer poaching (packs of lurchers,bows,leaving mutilated carcass' etc). Theres always been a minority of idiots on the loose but their sh*tty exploits get exaggerated in the press. The rspca and LACS employ press officers to keep these stories in the papers.

[littletimmy 71]

i think most of this crap is just sheer modern laziness , and its all part of the same thing . . .driving fields , (in case it comes on top) bollox , driving them BRINGS it on top , (you see more gear) not true either , how about , "cant be bothered to walk ?? It aint safecracking their way its bloody ramraiding. Then we get , have to leave dead deer behind , coz its on top (again) yeah right , just not interested in dragging deer, skinning deer , butchering deer , too much like hard work . And for the guy who has to travel 150 miles to find a deer in this country , where the hell are you starting from mate ,paris ?

 

 

The closest deer to me are 50 miles away atleast. Which is St.asaph. Wales, considoring the keepers think its fair game to shoot dogs and ram you off the road + the fact the fields are shit, maybe its best not to go there too often. About the same distance north is preston where they have been shooting everything( i use to see 5 hares + in every field for 10 square miles +, went up at the start of the season and saw one. And a bit furhter up the have poacher watch and all that shite up i nthe lakes. Again why risk it? I'd rather put the extra miles in and see more game, on better fields and be able to enjoy my sport without constantly looking over my shoulder. About 50 miles south you will also see deer, if you see them you can run them with out worry in fairness. But its seeing them thats the problem. As you get further south you start seeing more and the fields get better. So its not a case of HAVING to drive 150 miles, its the most logical thing to do if you want to see game and dont fancy being another statistic of the hunting laws.

[leec 132]

IAN,FLINT,I NO WHO YOU MEAN THAT OWNED SMOKEY ALSO OWNED SPARKY,USED TO DO ALOT OF COURSING WAS AT HIS PLACE THE OTHER DAY,DO EITHER OF YOU NO A DOG CALLED DAN OR MERLIN OR BLUE,DID YOU BOYS EVER HIT THE RED THAT ARE ONLY 10 MILE FROM YOU? I RUN YOUR WAY ALOT BUT IT IS HOT DOWN THERE,DO YOU NO L.H,J.B,F.M,F.L

Edited December 28, 2009 by leec

[leec 132]

I NO KEN D AS WELL,DO YOU NO HIS MATE D.B