1oo % stock broken

[david2363 42]

Sometimes things are not as clearcut as we would want.

O ne of my dogs - a 3 year old Bedlington male, was socialised properly and stock broken as a pup, this dog has not so much as looked at livestock the wrong way.

Last month, I was walking through some fairly thick woods, when a sheep literally jumped up in front of us - My Beddy chased it and brought it down.

The ewe was ok and shot off once I broke the dog off her.

The dog had his ears down and his tail between his legs, so obviously realised his error.

Since then, I have watched him closely, walked him through fields full of sheep, and he hasn't bothered with them - in fact, he goes out of his way to stay clear of them.

After this incident, I wouldn't trust any working dog 100% with stock.

[Shamo 319]

If I had a 100% digging dog, done everything I required of it BELOW GROUND, would I cull it out if it chased Sheep or locked onto a Bullock, regardless of how much Puppy training it had had...........Mmmmm

[poacherman 353]

I have a right nastly little bastward here thats had hold of a donkey and a dairy cow. He carnt be trusted around anything, or anyone, but he would be the last dog I would ever get rid of. Earthdogs for me should be kept on the lead right up to they give a mark at a hole so it doesnt matter if they are stock broken or not. The dog was brought up around cattle from 12 weeks old (everyday) so dont think for one minute its because he wasnt socialized to them.

spot on there mate, terriers are unpredictible.

[diggerman 0]

You are all full of shit!! My dog was around cattle from 12 weeks old, my other dogs are bomb proof, all were trained in exactly the same way. My dogs have probably been around cattle more than any other dogs on here(being in the corrals with beef cattle everyday). Not only is mine not stock broken, he will not allow anyone other than myself to take him out on the lead (missus and kids included), he will jump the fence and run up the road after the car if I go out and he is out in the garden. The terriers are NEVER allowed off the leads ANYWHERE other than to go to ground. Too many badger setts around here and I dont need to use terriers to find new earths, Theres better dogs for that. By the way I also have a hell of alot of land to go at and the estate owners (land owners), not just the keepers are more than pleased with the job I do, and the dogs do.

When I say hes not stock broken, what that means is I could if I wanted let him off next to livestock and tell him to leave them, and he will, but if I turned my back and started doing something he would have one of them. Theres a difference between a trained dog that isnt stock broken, and a dog thats not trained and out of control.

As for not being worth his weight in shite as someone put it, the dog might not be, time will tell, but he's had plenty digs so far this season (double figures). I bet that dogs done more so far than alot of dogs will do all year. Stick to your keyboard hunting lads, most of you seem good at that.

 

thats comes back to the point of it being a line fault then. or a fault in the dog.cull and move on. and more importantly why the feck anyone would keep a dog that cant be trusted. there are thousands out there that can that are doing the job.

 

sounds like a f*****g nightmare to me.

 

 

Why would I cull a dog that DOES the job it was bred for? Cull and move on? That dog, or any dog for that matter will be culled if it walks, until that day he lives and works. The character that dog has shown me is the character I would be looking for to breed from, and theres a list of lads who want to take a lining from him, if he works out. How can you sit and advise someone to cull a dog without actually seeing the dogs working style or character?

[wink hound 0]

You are all full of shit!! My dog was around cattle from 12 weeks old, my other dogs are bomb proof, all were trained in exactly the same way. My dogs have probably been around cattle more than any other dogs on here(being in the corrals with beef cattle everyday). Not only is mine not stock broken, he will not allow anyone other than myself to take him out on the lead (missus and kids included), he will jump the fence and run up the road after the car if I go out and he is out in the garden. The terriers are NEVER allowed off the leads ANYWHERE other than to go to ground. Too many badger setts around here and I dont need to use terriers to find new earths, Theres better dogs for that. By the way I also have a hell of alot of land to go at and the estate owners (land owners), not just the keepers are more than pleased with the job I do, and the dogs do.

When I say hes not stock broken, what that means is I could if I wanted let him off next to livestock and tell him to leave them, and he will, but if I turned my back and started doing something he would have one of them. Theres a difference between a trained dog that isnt stock broken, and a dog thats not trained and out of control.

As for not being worth his weight in shite as someone put it, the dog might not be, time will tell, but he's had plenty digs so far this season (double figures). I bet that dogs done more so far than alot of dogs will do all year. Stick to your keyboard hunting lads, most of you seem good at that.

 

thats comes back to the point of it being a line fault then. or a fault in the dog.cull and move on. and more importantly why the feck anyone would keep a dog that cant be trusted. there are thousands out there that can that are doing the job.

 

sounds like a f*****g nightmare to me.

 

 

Why would I cull a dog that DOES the job it was bred for? Cull and move on? That dog, or any dog for that matter will be culled if it walks, until that day he lives and works. The character that dog has shown me is the character I would be looking for to breed from, and theres a list of lads who want to take a lining from him, if he works out. How can you sit and advise someone to cull a dog without actually seeing the dogs working style or character?

 

imho a dog no matter how good it is should be able to be trusted. in the same way a fighter or a bitter cannot be trusted no matter how good it is, its a nightmare to keep. if there are dogs out there that are doing the job without showing these faults then these are the dogs that should be bred from and kept. MOST dogs can be stock broken without too much difficulty, your prediciment suggest that your dog is slightly unhinged and althought by your account good, could add this unhingined attitued to his pups (not definatly but more likly than a dog that dosent have these traits) so ultimatly you end with a situation of having serveral dogs than cannot be trusted. this atitued makes absoulty no sense to me. this is how i advice to cull. ultimatly your end up with a better type that you can do anything with and trust, not only with stock but with kids/wife etc.

 

im affraid i cannot see how that dosent make sense so i suspect we shall have to agree to disagree. MOST dogs in there working lifetime if out enough will come across a situation where by they come into ocntact with stock, be it in a farm yard with the landowner there, in a wood full of pheasents with keepers present, exerciseing in open country with sheep about or heaven forbid even escaping from the kennels and wandering (it does happen). in ANY of these situations a dog that is bad with stock will cause problems.

[diggerman 0]

You are all full of shit!! My dog was around cattle from 12 weeks old, my other dogs are bomb proof, all were trained in exactly the same way. My dogs have probably been around cattle more than any other dogs on here(being in the corrals with beef cattle everyday). Not only is mine not stock broken, he will not allow anyone other than myself to take him out on the lead (missus and kids included), he will jump the fence and run up the road after the car if I go out and he is out in the garden. The terriers are NEVER allowed off the leads ANYWHERE other than to go to ground. Too many badger setts around here and I dont need to use terriers to find new earths, Theres better dogs for that. By the way I also have a hell of alot of land to go at and the estate owners (land owners), not just the keepers are more than pleased with the job I do, and the dogs do.

When I say hes not stock broken, what that means is I could if I wanted let him off next to livestock and tell him to leave them, and he will, but if I turned my back and started doing something he would have one of them. Theres a difference between a trained dog that isnt stock broken, and a dog thats not trained and out of control.

As for not being worth his weight in shite as someone put it, the dog might not be, time will tell, but he's had plenty digs so far this season (double figures). I bet that dogs done more so far than alot of dogs will do all year. Stick to your keyboard hunting lads, most of you seem good at that.

 

thats comes back to the point of it being a line fault then. or a fault in the dog.cull and move on. and more importantly why the feck anyone would keep a dog that cant be trusted. there are thousands out there that can that are doing the job.

 

sounds like a f*****g nightmare to me.

 

 

Why would I cull a dog that DOES the job it was bred for? Cull and move on? That dog, or any dog for that matter will be culled if it walks, until that day he lives and works. The character that dog has shown me is the character I would be looking for to breed from, and theres a list of lads who want to take a lining from him, if he works out. How can you sit and advise someone to cull a dog without actually seeing the dogs working style or character?

 

imho a dog no matter how good it is should be able to be trusted. in the same way a fighter or a bitter cannot be trusted no matter how good it is, its a nightmare to keep. if there are dogs out there that are doing the job without showing these faults then these are the dogs that should be bred from and kept. MOST dogs can be stock broken without too much difficulty, your prediciment suggest that your dog is slightly unhinged and althought by your account good, could add this unhingined attitued to his pups (not definatly but more likly than a dog that dosent have these traits) so ultimatly you end with a situation of having serveral dogs than cannot be trusted. this atitued makes absoulty no sense to me. this is how i advice to cull. ultimatly your end up with a better type that you can do anything with and trust, not only with stock but with kids/wife etc.

 

im affraid i cannot see how that dosent make sense so i suspect we shall have to agree to disagree. MOST dogs in there working lifetime if out enough will come across a situation where by they come into ocntact with stock, be it in a farm yard with the landowner there, in a wood full of pheasents with keepers present, exerciseing in open country with sheep about or heaven forbid even escaping from the kennels and wandering (it does happen). in ANY of these situations a dog that is bad with stock will cause problems.

 

We will just have to disagree, simple as that. I wouldnt trust any dog, and anyone who is invited out have to follow simple rules of no dogs off leads, at any time other that to be put to ground.

The dog in question would give his life for me and thats whats required, thats the grit I want to see in a dog. I dont know where you are, but I can tell you around here a days shooting would cost more than half a mans yearly salary. When theres so much pressure to deliver 250+ birds per gun, then the pressures on to deliver for the keepers. If my dog was so bad, so he couldnt be taken anywhere because of fear of him chasing birds livestock ect ect, then he would be culled because he would be unmanagable. The dog when out working has only one thing on his mind, and thats fox. The dog does everything he is told to to, its just that he cannot be trusted around livestock, he will grab one if I'm not watching him, but will not touch them if he knows I'm watching, he knows its wrong to grab them.

If he does eventually get bred from, all his pups will be well tested and culled if need be.

[bedrock 16]

It always amazes me when I come on here maybe there should be an IQ test before you register. :stinker:

[burrowman 6]

Horses for courses lads,im in the same boat as "Fight the Ban" without my dogs huntin loose i wouldnt see much game,but i also understand that you should keep your terriers on lead on a well stocked shootin estate as you cant expect them to resist that grand gamey smell.

I have mine fairly good around stock,but one day i came across a ewe tangled in briars in a watery trench i had to jump in to free her but the dogs thought i was attackin her and they joined in only for my son holdin them back i would have had to leave sheep there.The ultimate test is a lamb springin out right in front of the dogs and runnin off,if they resist this you're doin ok.I'd say always watch them closely and never trust them 100% as it only takes one to break and they all go. a.t.b. Burrowman.

[lakieman 25]

You are all full of shit!! My dog was around cattle from 12 weeks old, my other dogs are bomb proof, all were trained in exactly the same way. My dogs have probably been around cattle more than any other dogs on here(being in the corrals with beef cattle everyday). Not only is mine not stock broken, he will not allow anyone other than myself to take him out on the lead (missus and kids included), he will jump the fence and run up the road after the car if I go out and he is out in the garden. The terriers are NEVER allowed off the leads ANYWHERE other than to go to ground. Too many badger setts around here and I dont need to use terriers to find new earths, Theres better dogs for that. By the way I also have a hell of alot of land to go at and the estate owners (land owners), not just the keepers are more than pleased with the job I do, and the dogs do.

When I say hes not stock broken, what that means is I could if I wanted let him off next to livestock and tell him to leave them, and he will, but if I turned my back and started doing something he would have one of them. Theres a difference between a trained dog that isnt stock broken, and a dog thats not trained and out of control.

As for not being worth his weight in shite as someone put it, the dog might not be, time will tell, but he's had plenty digs so far this season (double figures). I bet that dogs done more so far than alot of dogs will do all year. Stick to your keyboard hunting lads, most of you seem good at that.

 

thats comes back to the point of it being a line fault then. or a fault in the dog.cull and move on. and more importantly why the feck anyone would keep a dog that cant be trusted. there are thousands out there that can that are doing the job.

 

sounds like a f*****g nightmare to me.

cull a working terrier because it cant be trusted arund livestock what planet you from

[jack crowley 5]

if i had a good working terrier that was if,y around cattle ,sheep or people but was a HANDY digging terrier like f**k would i cull it .wink hound proper working terriers are hard to come by so sayin theres thousands around is a load of shit i have only seen a few that i realy liked

[wink hound 0]

in the smae way theres lots of shit about, too many poeple breding from shit....... nowonder theres so many untrusted dogs about.

 

 

as ive said to the youngun and newbies, it is more than possible to stock break most dogs and you should aim for this at ALL times or at some point it will get you in to trouble. half the battle is getting enough work for the dog.

[jimmys shop 182]

in the smae way theres lots of shit about, too many poeple breding from shit....... nowonder theres so many untrusted dogs about.

 

 

as ive said to the youngun and newbies, it is more than possible to stock break most dogs and you should aim for this at ALL times or at some point it will get you in to trouble. half the battle is getting enough work for the dog.

wink hound your heads in the clouds,i dont know any decent digging lads that would put a good dog down just because it wasnt broke too livestock,anyone who did something like this i would describe as an emptyhead.

[Hepher 86]

AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, SPEND TIME WITH YA DOGS WHILE THEIR YOUNG, BREAK THEM TO STOCK, YA CAN'T EXPECT A TERRIER THET SPENDS 6 DAYS A WEEK IN A PENN TO IGNORE STOCK.

RGDS

HEPHER.

[hang & bang 114]

Honestly lads,i dont believe that a couple of working terriers off their leads can be stock broken.

 

another thl classic and caomplete and utter bullshit.a dog off the couples should behave the same on the couples.

domt worry youngsters you should be aiming to have ALL dogs 100% stock broken and it is more the possible.

 

 

 

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[Guest busterdog]

in the smae way theres lots of shit about, too many poeple breding from shit....... nowonder theres so many untrusted dogs about.

 

 

as ive said to the youngun and newbies, it is more than possible to stock break most dogs and you should aim for this at ALL times or at some point it will get you in to trouble. half the battle is getting enough work for the dog.

wink hound your heads in the clouds,i dont know any decent digging lads that would put a good dog down just because it wasnt broke too livestock,anyone who did something like this i would describe as an emptyhead.

 

I don't disagree with a lot of comments either way, as for culling, lets just say i wouldn't personally cull any good dog but i would pass it on to someone that could put up with the shit and mayhem he causes. I have seven terriers in my yard that walk through sheep and dairy herds twice a day and although they do cast the odd roving eye they wouldn't touch them at all, could i trust them with out me being present "YES" the older dogs anyway. Winkhound said something that makes sense to someone that genuinely works his dogs, it's the work and the amount of work that steadies your dogs, if they need more work then they will be more unpredictable in their behaviour.