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[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Lad I know was stopped by ranger other night in Wicklow(ireland), while out lamping Charlie. Gun was taken off him and lodged in local station, pending a case against him.

 

Thing is, he was out after Charlie, ranger is trying to say that he was after deer, which is complete rubbish, this lad has all the certs needed to stalk deer so why lamp them, the guy lives in Dublin, but has a friend living way up in the mountains is Wicklow, they were passing a few hours shooting Charlie while it became bright enough to stalk, I cant make heads not tails of the pending case that they are building against them, can you??

 

They had shot nothing.

[black lab 3]

Lad I know was stopped by ranger other night in Wicklow(ireland), while out lamping Charlie. Gun was taken off him and lodged in local station, pending a case against him.

 

Thing is, he was out after Charlie, ranger is trying to say that he was after deer, which is complete rubbish, this lad has all the certs needed to stalk deer so why lamp them, the guy lives in Dublin, but has a friend living way up in the mountains is Wicklow, they were passing a few hours shooting Charlie while it became bright enough to stalk, I cant make heads not tails of the pending case that they are building against them, can you??

 

They had shot nothing.

If he had permission to shoot over the ground he was on? where is the problem? sounds like the ranger might have a problem with the guy?

[bicykillgaz 1]

was they on there own permission?

[jamie g 17]

if he was on land he had permission on and has fox on his ticket then there is nothing the ranger can do !

 

but the laws there mite be different to here. if the above is right then he has no right having your mates rifle off him and i would go to station and demand it back right away

 

the oinly other thing i can think of is the ranger had them on ground they shouldnt be on ? if this is the case and im not saying it is.

 

he has no chance of getting it back and will prob lose ticket to

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Lads this happened on a public road, which leads up to the side of the mountian, the lads were in the jeep when stopped.

[waidmann 105]

then the obvious question would be "was the rifle ready to be used"? ie magazine/rifle loaded,moderator on,out of the slip. in which case the suspicion could be grounded. they were i presume lamping from the jeep?

 

even if the suspicion should be there then this would be seen as a possible offence(transporting of a firearm) but could not be seen as poaching as they had no carcass in the car( certainly not species specific).

 

all of the above presuming they were on their permission?

[Deker 3,478]

Who/what is a RANGER in Ireland??

 

What power do they have?

 

All incidents have 2 sides and this sounds very smelly!!!

[dave1372 83]

There must be something going on that you are not not aware of as there would be no way they could confiscate the rifle without sufficient reason and evidence, sounds suss to me.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Thanks for the replies, just have word back from my mate that they intend to bring him before a court on the grounds that he was lamping from a public road, the firearm will be returned to him, never heard of such a charge before.

[rjimmer 4]

In England, if the land for the road was not bought by the highway authority, the boundary of the adjoining land is the centre of the road, so you are always on someone's property, especially if the land on both sides of the road belongs to the same person or entity. Provided you do not cause distress or hinderance to anybody using the highway, you can shoot from a road onto your land. We have shot loads of foxes from the roads through the estate I help out on.

[dicehorn 38]

Provided you do not cause distress or hinderance to anybody using the highway, you can shoot from a road onto your land. We have shot loads of foxes from the roads through the estate I help out on.

 

Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway having vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

[PMC 2]

.......if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

 

As far as I understand it you are correct, but I believe the operative phrase of the section is the part that I quoted you on. Not only that, this is legislation for Eng & Wales and not for the location of this alleged "offence".

 

Like stated before, it seems strange that they would have confiscated the firearm unless it was "made ready" or they were caught in the act of poking it out of the window, so to speak.

 

Hope your mate gets a swift and satisfying conclusion Irish Lurcher.

 

PMC

[JohnGalway 1,043]

If he's a member of a gun club get onto the NARGC really quickly.

 

You're legally allowed to lamp from a public road, that is, to just shine the lamp.

 

You're not allowed to shoot from the public road.

 

You're also supposed to have the firearm unloaded and out of reach from passengers while in transit to or from your permission.

 

Go onto the Garda.ie website and have a look at the PDF files on the firearms section.

 

But do get onto an official shooting body over it.

Edited December 21, 2009 by JohnGalway

[Mr_Logic 5]

That's right, if you're not causing anyone any issues, you may shoot from a road.

[JohnGalway 1,043]

That's right, if you're not causing anyone any issues, you may shoot from a road.

 

Eh, not in Ireland.