Mr_Logic 5 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) We've obviously spoken about this outside of here, but for the record... I have an MTC of exactly the same spec - it's OK in the daylight but utter crap in low light. If you like the rifle, get him to give you a discount and get a better scope separately. There is nothing wrong with the 243. It's a fantastic dual-purpose calibre, but when we spoke you were mainly after a rifle for deer, and round your way that'd be red deer? The 243 will stop a red, I have no doubts - while I've not got red near me, plenty who have use 243 every year and they die, so it must work! However, in terms of a flat shooting calibre, there's not actually much to choose. 243 shoots a 90, 95 or 100gr bullet, and the muzzle velocity is unlikely to be more than about 3100fps, with a 100gr it's more likely to be 2900, maybe 3000. A 308 shoots a 150-gr bullet at 2900 fps, with a BC of .435 (Nosler Accu-bond), which is comparable to Sierra's 6mm softpoint, but better than most 6mm bullets. Given the close MV and better BC, 308 will be as flat and buck the wind better. And, it hits a damn site harder. if you're going to run two bullets through the 243, then it will be a much better fox tool, flatter by far and considerably more explosive to Charlie. However, given zero differences, I doubt if you can do that reliably with MTC. And you have to consider - what if your 243 doesn't like heavier bullets? With a .308, it doesn't matter - there are a massive load of choices and they all knock over any deer. So for my mind, I'd get a .308, and feed it 150 gr Nosler Accubonds. If it don't like them, then any other 150 or 168 gr bullets. Given your red deer requirement, 308 each and every time for me. Edited December 17, 2009 by Mr_Logic Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Did you see this a few weeks back, I got this together with Mr L pulling the trigger...this is 12mm industrial Steel Plate, the depth of the .308 and .243 is the same to the mm, the difference is the hole diameter! 100 yards shots!! Front and back..... Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Did you see this a few weeks back, I got this together with Mr L pulling the trigger...this is 12mm industrial Steel Plate, the depth of the .308 and .243 is the same to the mm, the difference is the hole diameter! 100 yards shots!! Front and back..... Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric Quote Link to post
langouroux 14 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Did you see this a few weeks back, I got this together with Mr L pulling the trigger...this is 12mm industrial Steel Plate, the depth of the .308 and .243 is the same to the mm, the difference is the hole diameter! 100 yards shots!! Front and back..... Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric well ricw all the charm of a low flying brick as usuall! although you do have a point, as i have learnt how to stalk with a sauer 6.5x55 but its a wee bit on the pricey side! i did look a tikka in 6.5 and my friend can home load for me.......maybe that is a good choice! Quote Link to post
Uim 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric well ricw all the charm of a low flying brick as usuall! although you do have a point, as i have learnt how to stalk with a sauer 6.5x55 but its a wee bit on the pricey side! i did look a tikka in 6.5 and my friend can home load for me.......maybe that is a good choice! It would be the only sensible choice to go 6.5 Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Did you see this a few weeks back, I got this together with Mr L pulling the trigger...this is 12mm industrial Steel Plate, the depth of the .308 and .243 is the same to the mm, the difference is the hole diameter! 100 yards shots!! Front and back..... Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric well ricw all the charm of a low flying brick as usuall! although you do have a point, as i have learnt how to stalk with a sauer 6.5x55 but its a wee bit on the pricey side! i did look a tikka in 6.5 and my friend can home load for me.......maybe that is a good choice! Yup, that's me all right. Well known model of tact and diplomacy. Also been known to poke sticks in hornet's nests. Seriously tho' and without pretending to speak from experience I am surprised that more interest isn't shown on here in the 6.5mm rounds. The calibre seems to me to be a good compromise between .243 and .308. That bit more bullet weight than the .243 can take, flatter than .308 and lighter to tote around, not got the kick of .270 . . . what's not to like? There must be a reason it's the most popular round on the Continent. It's used on elk ffs. Mouses to mooses! If the European 6.5s are too dear, why not look at the Remi .260? Same bullets so lots of choice in loads. Worth considering. Ric Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I agree there are better calibres than .308, but as a go-anywhere, do-anything calibre, it's pretty damn good. Given you've already got the slot, I'd just get the 308 and be done... Quote Link to post
langouroux 14 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 i've settled it once and for all! i rang the sportsman gun centre and put a deposit on a tikka T3 lite 6.5x55 picking it up end of jan! thanks for all the input lads. i finally made my mind up! Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 i've settled it once and for all! i rang the sportsman gun centre and put a deposit on a tikka T3 lite 6.5x55 picking it up end of jan! thanks for all the input lads. i finally made my mind up! I'm sure you will get on fine but the T3 Lite is probably the worst balanced gun on the market, especially if you fit a mod. It took me about 2.5 years, 2 barrel cuts, 5 scopes, 2 sets of mounts, 3 moderators and eventually about 6oz (150g)of lead in the butt to sort it out...oh yes..... and a lot of money! It's great now, enjoy the journey!!! Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 i've settled it once and for all! i rang the sportsman gun centre and put a deposit on a tikka T3 lite 6.5x55 picking it up end of jan! thanks for all the input lads. i finally made my mind up! I'm sure you will get on fine but the T3 Lite is probably the worst balanced gun on the market, especially if you fit a mod. It took me about 2.5 years, 2 barrel cuts, 5 scopes, 2 sets of mounts, 3 moderators and eventually about 6oz (150g)of lead in the butt to sort it out...oh yes..... and a lot of money! It's great now, enjoy the journey!!! Well you are a proper Job's comforter! Didn't it hurt getting 6oz/150g of lead in the butt? That's what I call a magnum load. Not to be taken sitting down . . . ATB with it Lango Ric Quote Link to post
Uim 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well Langouroux despite various recommendations you have chosen very well indeed with that calibre and i can guarantee you wont be sorry pal Most guns will feel unbalanced especially with mods fitted no matter how much you spend. I had a new out of the box Tikka T3 Lite fitted with a T8 i then put a big Leupold scope, never chopped the barrel kept the same scope on it and same mod and killed plenty of Deer. Big fecking Deer.. The only modification that i made to that gun was that i customised the screw with an angle grinder which stopped the trigger from being made lighter. Good luck Lango and keep us informed Quote Link to post
rjimmer 4 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric Is that because any calibre that has been used in a war is not allowed in some European countries? eg 7 x 57 Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric Is that because any calibre that has been used in a war is not allowed in some European countries? eg 7 x 57 Not sure where you get your information from Ric and I'm not sure what you call Europe...but remember in Europe, you get Elk/Moose, Bear, Mountain Cats, Wolves, and bigger Wild Boar than here..as well as a few things I've forgotten..... Quote Link to post
dicehorn 38 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ultimate all purpose hunting round for Europe is the 6.5x55. Full stop. Ric Is that because any calibre that has been used in a war is not allowed in some European countries? eg 7 x 57 Think you may be right about that - also believe this refers to France. Apparantly it is almost impossible to find a french military rifle as most were chucked down in the mud only to be trampled on by their fleeing comrades. Quote Link to post
provarmint 25 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I agree there are better calibres than .308, but as a go-anywhere, do-anything calibre, it's pretty damn good. Given you've already got the slot, I'd just get the 308 and be done... That's an all rounder then. Quote Link to post
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