ginga john 268 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Well the debate on the hare coursing article on country file was locked by a mod so here is the complaint i sent and the reply i received this was the complaint i sent >{Complaint:} Hare coursing in the UK is now illegal, but it has a long >history, over 100 years of organised events before the current government >saw fit to ban it as part of their castration of the countryside. >There is now an ellegal element that has adapted its behaviour to the >current ban. >They break the law and do not care how they do it. >Only a return to legal organised events will curtail such behaviour. > >To represent all people who are sympathetic to coursing as thuggish law >breakers is both ridiculous and wrong. and this is the reply i recieved Dear Mr Ginga John (edited of course) Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Countryfile' broadcast on 6 December 2009. I understand you're unhappy with a report on hare coursing. 'Countryfile' aims to cover all issues affecting the British countryside, and this particular film was about wildlife crime. Hare coursing is currently illegal, and was presented as such. It's not for 'Countryfile' to make value judgements on what should or should not be a crime. I appreciate you feel quite strongly about this issue and I'd like to assure you that I have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC. Thank you again for contacting us with your concerns. Regards Gemma McCartan BBC Complaints __________________________________________ http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ so there you have it, you may complain but as its now an illegal activity you will become a statistic to be ignored, lets just make out that one of the greatest traditions of the British countryside never ever existed. F#ck the BBC, F#ck the ban on hunting with dogs, and F#ck all of those crooked bung taking fiddling self interested b*****ds who claim to represent "the people" and to the "people" who vote for these scum, SHAME ON YOU ALL.:censored: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
higgins 75 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Well the debate on the hare coursing article on country file was locked by a mod so heere is the complaint i sent and the reply i recieved this was the complaint i sent >{Complaint:} Hare coursing in the UK is now illegal, but it has a long >history, over 100 years of organised events before the current government >saw fit to ban it as part of there castration of the countryside. >There is now an ellegal element that has adapted its behaviour to the >current ban. >They break the law and do not care how they do it. >Only a return to legal organised events will curtail such behaviour. > >To represent all people who mare sympathetic to coursing as thuggish law >breakers is both ridiculous and wrong. and this is the reply i recieved Dear Mr Ginga John Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Countryfile' broadcast on 6 December 2009. I understand you're unhappy with a report on hare coursing. 'Countryfile' aims to cover all issues affecting the British countryside, and this particular film was about wildlife crime. Hare coursing is currently illegal, and was presented as such. It's not for 'Countryfile' to make value judgements on what should or should not be a crime. I appreciate you feel quite strongly about this issue and I'd like to assure you that I have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC. Thank you again for contacting us with your concerns. Regards Gemma McCartan BBC Complaints __________________________________________ http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ so there you have it, you may complain but as its an illegal activity you will become a statistic to be ignored, lets just make out that one of the greatest traditions of the British Isles never ever existed. F#ck the BBC, F#ck the ban on hunting with dogs, and F#ck all of those crooked bung taking fiddling self interested b*****ds who claim to represent "the people" and to the "people" who vote for these scum, SHAME ON YOU ALL.:censored: ginga john apart from the hare coursing ban,it's the whole broad spectrum of hunting and associated activities that are under threat,everyone should get together for this one,this time more people need to be involved and get the ban repealed,then we can sort out the BBC later Higgins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rabbit tourmentor 29 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 mate look in the running dog section i got the exact same reply i cant spell good and i spent ages writting that out nicely f*****g wankers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginga john 268 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hello Rabbit Tormentor, i just read your reply, must be a standard email sent out to all the people who complain Higgins, i agree with you but i do not believe for one minute that anyone in this country has the heart left to change anything the polititians are ALL bent, the councils are even more bent, the honest (mostly) working man is just a cash cow for the scum in westminster The Scotts get free healthcare, education, medicines etc, the english get shafted again and again. We have been conditioned to accept whatever we are told and i am not willing to accept this. I shall leave this god forsaken mess as soon as i can, its off to live in the land of johnny foreigner for me and i can hunt and shoot as is my wish, i wish that the English had some of the gumption that our grandparents showed in the past its a great shame but there it is, the country is Fecked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
higgins 75 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hello Rabbit Tormentor, i just read your reply, must be a standard email sent out to all the people who complain Higgins, i agree with you but i do not believe for one minute that anyone in this country has the heart left to change anything the polititians are ALL bent, the councils are even more bent, the honest (mostly) working man is just a cash cow for the scum in westminster The Scotts get free healthcare, education, medicines etc, the english get shafted again and again. We have been conditioned to accept whatever we are told and i am not willing to accept this. I shall leave this god forsaken mess as soon as i can, its off to live in the land of johnny foreigner for me and i can hunt and shoot as is my wish, i wish that the English had some of the gumption that our grandparents showed in the past its a great shame but there it is, the country is Fecked. Everything you say is spot on Ginga,but i believe we should give it another go before we abandon it completely,at least see if something can be salvaged,atb, Higgins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oakey 57 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 By the title countryfile this programe needs country people to make it .I will have nothing to do with it if i see them filming anywhere by me i will do my best to mess it up for them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droid 11 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) >To represent all people who are sympathetic to coursing as thuggish law >breakers is both ridiculous and wrong. Is it? Try reading the responses in this forum, when certain people are argued with or read of someone being challanged/stopped in the countryside. Their first response seems to be abuse/violence. 'I'd have battered the c**t' appears to be the response of choice. Now this may well not be representative of hunters as a whole, but it's the response of a substantial minority on here, and it rather undermines your argument. Edited December 13, 2009 by droid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TIMMAY 6 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 This is the second time i've contacted the bbc about their bias, this time I added at the end of my comments: 'I have complained previously about your programming on similar matters, and can see that it has not left any impression. I would therefore ask for a reply which is not an automated letter, or a 'fill in the blanks' responce, but an actual responce written one off by an actual individual, explaing why your progamming is biased?, and how Mr Craven's change in attitude to coursing can be so extreme?' As i had a similar response as yours the first time, which was about one of iolo williams programmes in Wales. As countryfile does not make value judgements on what should be illegal or not, surely every time they show any currently legal fieldsport, they should only sing the praises of that sport, and not show any opposition to it, as it must be great as it is legal! Does that happen? does it balls! Some anaemic anti is always given more air time, than the actual sport coverage! As it is legal, using thier own rules, the anti's shouldn't be allowed a look in in my opinion. If you haven't complained already do so!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 If you haven't complained already do so!!! Right!! It doesn't have to be an essay just complain on the biased way it was reported on especially how coursing was lumped in with badger baiting and that it predjudices the views of the watcher on hunting with dogs. Emotive language like "perverse" etc should not be used by a so called impartial TV corporation!! Craven was obviously not behaving impartially was he. I sent my complaint in, every one else needs to do so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippetmike 3 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Wasn't going to get involved in this debate lol but what i think is if hare coursing made money(for the gouverment) it wouldn't of been ban!!! look at every week from sept too feb pheasent shoots where they wound wing and cripple birds each week for £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (in the gouverment taxes pocket)that'll never be ban will it? it's all about money . i can't go out and get a hare for a family dinner? with my dog. but i can spray shot in the air till i hit a bird (i'm not that good of a shot lol). the be all and all of it is money!!!! cus coursing don't them money they pull a sly one to keep the goody goody's happy (anti's animal friendly veg's whom ever) nice move labour rememeber it was labour when you vote had my say atb mike p.s don't p.m me put it on here so everyone can have a say cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nercwys 10 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Its legal to shoot hares but not to course them ,surely the hare has more chance to get away from the dogs than a gun,it should be the other way round. It f@£($ me off they are so stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
higgins 75 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Its legal to shoot hares but not to course them ,surely the hare has more chance to get away from the dogs than a gun,it should be the other way round. It f@£($ me off they are so stupid. Good post Nercwys,it's also fairer and survival of the fittest,the law must be prejudiced against dogs only,no need for us all to fall out with shooters v dogmen(they would love that divided we fall)everyone must be involved in speaking upand having their say, Higgins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,221 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 >To represent all people who are sympathetic to coursing as thuggish law >breakers is both ridiculous and wrong. Is it? Try reading the responses in this forum, when certain people are argued with or read of someone being challanged/stopped in the countryside. Their first response seems to be abuse/violence. 'I'd have battered the c**t' appears to be the response of choice. Now this may well not be representative of hunters as a whole, but it's the response of a substantial minority on here, and it rather undermines your argument. I'm affraid some of what you say is true, but you must remember there is good and bad in all. It doesn't take long to work out who are the decent and respectful amongst us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droid 11 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I'm affraid some of what you say is true, but you must remember there is good and bad in all. It doesn't take long to work out who are the decent and respectful amongst us. I agree. But the antis are going to use the 'bad' to forward their argument, not the 'decent and respectful'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
donk 12 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 So we need to voice our opinions in a decent and respectful manner,thats fine and im sure that a lot of people,not just on here but other hunters, are capable of doing that. Its not just about that programme,we have to look at the wider issues that affect what is to my mind an infringement on our freedom. Our right to hunt is being eroded bit by bit,it wont stop just because they banned hunting with hounds. All the hunting hobbyists will sit back and do nothing,all the part timers will use phrases like 'well theres nothing much i can do about it'. But, if you love this game and you want to continue being able to do it and teach your young ones the fieldcraft that has been handed down through the generations, then something has to be done. Win or lose, we cant sit back and just accept what is happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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