broadmouth 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) hi to the board! i have an english mastiff and he is pretty much old school in temperament. he is not people friendly when it comes to strangers, he has a very distrustful and reserved attitude. so he is a real deal guard dog! i like the way he is, but i intend to breed him to another breed next time. my goal is to keep his distrustful attitude for the offspring, but to get some prey drive, so that the offspring could catch a boar, or lets say if it is fast enough, to have the right attitude also for boar hunting. we all know that the great dane aka german mastiff was a dog like i have described it right now. it is a mastiff x sighthound cross and used to be a boar hunter as well as a guard dog. on another board half a year ago, they told me forget it. if you want a dog that can hunt and is a great guard dog and also human aggressive, get a bully kutta. i only know the bully kutta as a fighting dog and doubt it is the perfect hunter and guard dog. my first thought was to breed my EM to a greyhound, but then i thought an american staghound is a tougher in fighting large game, as well as an australian staghound or kangaroo dog. with said that i would like to get a very good guard dog in my offspring as i admire my EM for that, but would like to add a tough prey driven dog. the result has not to be a top hunter, as i guess the dog will be too heavy, but it should have good amount of prey drive added by a tough hound and still be a large dog with the "unfriendly/distrustful" attitude towards strangers. i would appreciate advice from you! some people told me only an apbt could add all this, but then i would have the stocky and boring swinford cross and that's not what i am looking for, as i think hounds can be very tough as well! so please just tell me which breed could exactly make such an F1 cross kind regards and thanks in advance Edited December 13, 2009 by broadmouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,493 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hello and welcome mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mandog 37 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Put a pic up of the EM please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
broadmouth 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Put a pic up of the EM please. i have an old fashioned cam instead of a digi cam, but i can try and scan one pic later. ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bagzi 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Have you given any thought to a Cane Corso? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicykillgaz 1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 i second the cane corso verdict! awesome dogs in every respect powerful, fast and good stamina i might be wrong but i think it means something like runner dog in italian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,182 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hello Broady, I would like to see your mastiff before I cast my sarcastic opinion towards you, because at the moment my memory is saying that the present English Mastiff is offering not a lot to a hunting breed. Look forward to seeing your dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
broadmouth 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hello Broady, I would like to see your mastiff before I cast my sarcastic opinion towards you, because at the moment my memory is saying that the present English Mastiff is offering not a lot to a hunting breed. Look forward to seeing your dog let's hope you will not be too sarcastic like i have mentioned before he is a very good dog. he doesn't like to get touched by each and everyone, especially he will not allow strangers do that, so he is not the dog-show-guy lol for the offspring i would like to maintain his attitude, so that they also will make great guard dogs, but i would like to add prey drive and athleticsm. so which pain resistant & tough sighthound would you suggest for a cross ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bagzi 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 If your determined to cross your E/M then I would suggest Deerhound or Borzoi would be your best bet,as for pain resistance that will have to come from the Mastiff most sigthounds don't do pain very well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
broadmouth 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 If your determined to cross your E/M then I would suggest Deerhound or Borzoi would be your best bet,as for pain resistance that will have to come from the Mastiff most sigthounds don't do pain very well. thank you for your advice mate. yes, my boy is pain resistant. it was bitten once by two other dogs and one bit his nose, but he had no problem with that, made no noise and fought on agaisnt both. what is the advantage between Barzoi, Deerhound, Greyhound, American Staghound, or Australian Staghound in such a mix. which dog has the most to offer? i guess the American Staghound is still used more for hunting large game than the barzoi, but maybe i am totally wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mandog 37 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Looks a nice sort from the front. Were did you come by one like this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bagzi 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 The Staghound are really Deerhound Lurchers,so personally I would go for pure Deerhound the Borzoi was known for hunting Wolve's in pair's so quite a tough dog but again you could go for a Mastiff bred for Hunting and get a Cane Corso! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cúagusgiorraí 57 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I wouldnt breed him at all unless you are breeding guard dogs, because when you are boar hunting, you cannot have an aggressive dog with other people and dogs. Just imagine if your distrustful dog meets a farmer while out! I think you are confusing agression with preydrive. Dont waste your time breeding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
broadmouth 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I wouldnt breed him at all unless you are breeding guard dogs, because when you are boar hunting, you cannot have an aggressive dog with other people and dogs. Just imagine if your distrustful dog meets a farmer while out! I think you are confusing agression with preydrive. Dont waste your time breeding. mate, a good guard dog is not aggressive without a reason. when i say he is not people friendly, it doesn't mean he attacks people! it just means he is very distrustful towards strangers and he doesnt accept to be petted by strangers. by the way he would not bite a kid or bark at a kid coming. so he really makes a difference there which also shows taht he is intelligent. so would you say that in general or in almost all cases a dog with the typical guardian traits cannot be used for hunting. (i know most guardians dogs are to heavy for that, but that's not the point, i am just speaking about temperament) so has a dog used for hunting to be the opposite of a distrustful dog? i am asking as on historical accounts it can be read that the "celtic war dogs" were both, great guard dogs, as well as large game hunters. they also were inbetween mastiffs and sighthounds. p.s. i have seen that the Cane Coros was mentioned a few times, so obviously the Cane Corso is pretty much like that, as it also is really good guard dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
broadmouth 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) If your determined to cross your E/M then I would suggest Deerhound or Borzoi would be your best bet,as for pain resistance that will have to come from the Mastiff most sigthounds don't do pain very well. The Staghound are really Deerhound Lurchers,so personally I would go for pure Deerhound the Borzoi was known for hunting Wolve's in pair's so quite a tough dog but again you could go for a Mastiff bred for Hunting and get a Cane Corso! yes, you are right with the pain tollerance. it had to come from the mastiff, but u cannot be sure which traits the offspring will have, so maybe to be sure it will be a tought dog, a sighthound x ebt x mastiff, would be better. 25% sighthound 25 ebt and 50% mastiff so it could be barzoi, deerhound or greyhound x ebt and the result (best dogs of that cross) x mastiff p.s. thank you a lot for your suggestions. Edited December 14, 2009 by broadmouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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