wheaten terriers

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Love the good wheaten's, thanks for sharing lads, im glad there are some decent lines still going that havent been wrecked by the show lot.

 

Are wheaten's commonly dog aggresive? Even if well socialised? And, if so, does this trait pass into the weaten lurchers, as im contemplating a wheaten cross in the future when my bull is passed his best.... mainly for a better coat as the bull suffers in harsh weather.

 

all the best

 

DnN

[liamdelaney 2,586]

THERE'S STRONG DOGS AND EARTHDOGS, WHY MIX THE 2? DIFFERENT DOGS FOR DIFFERENT JOBS.

Why not? Its worked in the past.

 

and hopefully will work again ,Liam nobody wants dogs smashed up ,we have

left that behind us several years ago.I personally believe that if you breed this

type of terrier cross that you have watched and studied both dogs working patterns and

temperament for years before you make the decision to breed a litter ,think back when

bull was added to russells to throw them that bit of gameness ,and also several lines of

black dogs .So if after several seasons of one of these cross,es proving themselves beyond

doubt ,Do we not breed of her cos it might be to hard for the game and remain mute .Ive had

several mute dogs and knew before i dropped them in what the outcome of the dig would be ,unfortunately

that type of gameness in dogs is slowly fading away as i believe theres not as many guys getting able

to try dogs to a standard we where able to in the 80s .So my personal belief is put in gameness where

it is needed .HORSES FOR COURSES .

 

If you put wheaten back to game terriers you will most definitely see dogs getting smashed up.you also dont need to study wheatens working patterns for very long to know how good he or she is five minutes is plenty,let him in if he tries to smash everything in front of him stays there and does not bark he is a good one,if he barks or comes away he is not.I know all the stories of some people putting game dogs to Russell's and black dogs some did but plenty did not(it was also whispered behind good terrier mens backs by begrugers who had f**k all oh he has bull in them)I cant stress enough its a no no dont put game dogs near your earth dogs you will destroy them.If you need a good stud look around they are out there.or if you are not happy with what you have dont put wheaten or bull in it get rid of it.

 

Are you speaking from your own personal expierence Liam?

 

 

I never done it but i know plenty who did.

[jimmys shop 182]

THERE'S STRONG DOGS AND EARTHDOGS, WHY MIX THE 2? DIFFERENT DOGS FOR DIFFERENT JOBS.

Why not? Its worked in the past.

 

and hopefully will work again ,Liam nobody wants dogs smashed up ,we have

left that behind us several years ago.I personally believe that if you breed this

type of terrier cross that you have watched and studied both dogs working patterns and

temperament for years before you make the decision to breed a litter ,think back when

bull was added to russells to throw them that bit of gameness ,and also several lines of

black dogs .So if after several seasons of one of these cross,es proving themselves beyond

doubt ,Do we not breed of her cos it might be to hard for the game and remain mute .Ive had

several mute dogs and knew before i dropped them in what the outcome of the dig would be ,unfortunately

that type of gameness in dogs is slowly fading away as i believe theres not as many guys getting able

to try dogs to a standard we where able to in the 80s .So my personal belief is put in gameness where

it is needed .HORSES FOR COURSES .

 

If you put wheaten back to game terriers you will most definitely see dogs getting smashed up.you also dont need to study wheatens working patterns for very long to know how good he or she is five minutes is plenty,let him in if he tries to smash everything in front of him stays there and does not bark he is a good one,if he barks or comes away he is not.I know all the stories of some people putting game dogs to Russell's and black dogs some did but plenty did not(it was also whispered behind good terrier mens backs by begrugers who had f**k all oh he has bull in them)I cant stress enough its a no no dont put game dogs near your earth dogs you will destroy them.If you need a good stud look around they are out there.or if you are not happy with what you have dont put wheaten or bull in it get rid of it.

 

Are you speaking from your own personal expierence Liam?

 

 

I never done it but i know plenty who did.

 

Well there you go then,i personally like too speak from my own experience. Anyone who was doing this cross could be thinking of the long term,1/4 wheaten,1/8 wheaten,are you gonna get hard dogs in the first cross,yes,but its up too the owner too use his discretion and think about what he is trying too acheive,

 

Heres one of my own experiences of this cross,about 20 odd years ago we got an invite down too laoise too an old friend of mine called Frank,think you have mentioned him on here before as one of your mentors,anyway me my brother and a couple of friends went down with a couple of digging dogs,one a black terrier that my brother owned and the other a xbred dog whose grandfather was 1/2 bull 1/2 wheaten the crossbred terrier belonged too my other brother,who i was minding the dog for as he was away for his holidays for a few years. This 1/2 wheaten 1/2 bull had some great breeding in him and was a highly certified dog that came too the north via g.h from cork. His grandson was one of the best sounders that i ever witnessed. The quantity and quality of digs we had too this dog was well known all over. If i remember right we got three with him that very day. Ive heard it said that people are still claiming this dog in there breeding today,which is impossible.

So there you are Liam you witnessed first hand the type of dog youre always talking about the type that can be dug without locators week in and week out as was proved by the amount of game he often provided for those events back then.And he had the best of trial blood in him,so maybe the lads looking at this cross arent thinking about next season but lots of seasons ahead.

All the best Jim.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

THERE'S STRONG DOGS AND EARTHDOGS, WHY MIX THE 2? DIFFERENT DOGS FOR DIFFERENT JOBS.

Why not? Its worked in the past.

 

and hopefully will work again ,Liam nobody wants dogs smashed up ,we have

left that behind us several years ago.I personally believe that if you breed this

type of terrier cross that you have watched and studied both dogs working patterns and

temperament for years before you make the decision to breed a litter ,think back when

bull was added to russells to throw them that bit of gameness ,and also several lines of

black dogs .So if after several seasons of one of these cross,es proving themselves beyond

doubt ,Do we not breed of her cos it might be to hard for the game and remain mute .Ive had

several mute dogs and knew before i dropped them in what the outcome of the dig would be ,unfortunately

that type of gameness in dogs is slowly fading away as i believe theres not as many guys getting able

to try dogs to a standard we where able to in the 80s .So my personal belief is put in gameness where

it is needed .HORSES FOR COURSES .

 

If you put wheaten back to game terriers you will most definitely see dogs getting smashed up.you also dont need to study wheatens working patterns for very long to know how good he or she is five minutes is plenty,let him in if he tries to smash everything in front of him stays there and does not bark he is a good one,if he barks or comes away he is not.I know all the stories of some people putting game dogs to Russell's and black dogs some did but plenty did not(it was also whispered behind good terrier mens backs by begrugers who had f**k all oh he has bull in them)I cant stress enough its a no no dont put game dogs near your earth dogs you will destroy them.If you need a good stud look around they are out there.or if you are not happy with what you have dont put wheaten or bull in it get rid of it.

 

Are you speaking from your own personal expierence Liam?

 

 

I never done it but i know plenty who did.

 

Well there you go then,i personally like too speak from my own experience. Anyone who was doing this cross could be thinking of the long term,1/4 wheaten,1/8 wheaten,are you gonna get hard dogs in the first cross,yes,but its up too the owner too use his discretion and think about what he is trying too acheive,

 

Heres one of my own experiences of this cross,about 20 odd years ago we got an invite down too laoise too an old friend of mine called Frank,think you have mentioned him on here before as one of your mentors,anyway me my brother and a couple of friends went down with a couple of digging dogs,one a black terrier that my brother owned and the other a xbred dog whose grandfather was 1/2 bull 1/2 wheaten the crossbred terrier belonged too my other brother,who i was minding the dog for as he was away for his holidays for a few years. This 1/2 wheaten 1/2 bull had some great breeding in him and was a highly certified dog that came too the north via g.h from cork. His grandson was one of the best sounders that i ever witnessed. The quantity and quality of digs we had too this dog was well known all over. If i remember right we got three with him that very day. Ive heard it said that people are still claiming this dog in there breeding today,which is impossible.

So there you are Liam you witnessed first hand the type of dog youre always talking about the type that can be dug without locators week in and week out as was proved by the amount of game he often provided for those events back then.And he had the best of trial blood in him,so maybe the lads looking at this cross arent thinking about next season but lots of seasons ahead.

All the best Jim.

If your brothers name is Danny i dug with ye in Laois many years ago ye had a black dog on the day we had a few staffs.Ye nearly got holidays in Laois one weekend yourselves if you recall.Myself and Frank do still laugh about it.Hope ye are behaving with them Wheatens.LIAM

[MISTY 11]

Nobody has ever consistantly produced the "perfect " diggin dog ,any line needs sounders mixers as well as hard uns to continue that line over a long period of time ,it how you but the two together that matters .If that means you have to add blood from outside that line from Wheaton ect so be it as long as the blood you use is tried and tested and comes from an established line itself .Buck,bray ,gould,nuttall ect all did, have, would, will use game dogs from time to time in there lines i rest my case .

[jimmys shop 182]

THERE'S STRONG DOGS AND EARTHDOGS, WHY MIX THE 2? DIFFERENT DOGS FOR DIFFERENT JOBS.

Why not? Its worked in the past.

 

and hopefully will work again ,Liam nobody wants dogs smashed up ,we have

left that behind us several years ago.I personally believe that if you breed this

type of terrier cross that you have watched and studied both dogs working patterns and

temperament for years before you make the decision to breed a litter ,think back when

bull was added to russells to throw them that bit of gameness ,and also several lines of

black dogs .So if after several seasons of one of these cross,es proving themselves beyond

doubt ,Do we not breed of her cos it might be to hard for the game and remain mute .Ive had

several mute dogs and knew before i dropped them in what the outcome of the dig would be ,unfortunately

that type of gameness in dogs is slowly fading away as i believe theres not as many guys getting able

to try dogs to a standard we where able to in the 80s .So my personal belief is put in gameness where

it is needed .HORSES FOR COURSES .

 

If you put wheaten back to game terriers you will most definitely see dogs getting smashed up.you also dont need to study wheatens working patterns for very long to know how good he or she is five minutes is plenty,let him in if he tries to smash everything in front of him stays there and does not bark he is a good one,if he barks or comes away he is not.I know all the stories of some people putting game dogs to Russell's and black dogs some did but plenty did not(it was also whispered behind good terrier mens backs by begrugers who had f**k all oh he has bull in them)I cant stress enough its a no no dont put game dogs near your earth dogs you will destroy them.If you need a good stud look around they are out there.or if you are not happy with what you have dont put wheaten or bull in it get rid of it.

 

Are you speaking from your own personal expierence Liam?

 

 

I never done it but i know plenty who did.

 

Well there you go then,i personally like too speak from my own experience. Anyone who was doing this cross could be thinking of the long term,1/4 wheaten,1/8 wheaten,are you gonna get hard dogs in the first cross,yes,but its up too the owner too use his discretion and think about what he is trying too acheive,

 

Heres one of my own experiences of this cross,about 20 odd years ago we got an invite down too laoise too an old friend of mine called Frank,think you have mentioned him on here before as one of your mentors,anyway me my brother and a couple of friends went down with a couple of digging dogs,one a black terrier that my brother owned and the other a xbred dog whose grandfather was 1/2 bull 1/2 wheaten the crossbred terrier belonged too my other brother,who i was minding the dog for as he was away for his holidays for a few years. This 1/2 wheaten 1/2 bull had some great breeding in him and was a highly certified dog that came too the north via g.h from cork. His grandson was one of the best sounders that i ever witnessed. The quantity and quality of digs we had too this dog was well known all over. If i remember right we got three with him that very day. Ive heard it said that people are still claiming this dog in there breeding today,which is impossible.

So there you are Liam you witnessed first hand the type of dog youre always talking about the type that can be dug without locators week in and week out as was proved by the amount of game he often provided for those events back then.And he had the best of trial blood in him,so maybe the lads looking at this cross arent thinking about next season but lots of seasons ahead.

All the best Jim.

If your brothers name is Danny i dug with ye in Laois many years ago ye had a black dog on the day we had a few staffs.Ye nearly got holidays in Laois one weekend yourselves if you recall.Myself and Frank do still laugh about it.Hope ye are behaving with them Wheatens.LIAM

 

I remember it alright Liam,them were the days,ive a 9 month wheaten bitch that our Dan(jnr) gave me,shes becoming a real handful.

[Mick Lacey 0]

i had a real good wheatan terrier had it for drawing (if you know what i mean) it was very game and never backed down. used it alongside a couple of good terriers like borders, parsons, patterdales ,russell crosses. also had him for bushing cover (lethal)

[jimmys shop 182]

ok lads

just wondering are wheaten terriers any good for hunting cover, ditches etc?

thanks bill.

 

I never had a wheaten terrier but i heard there really handy dog,s to have

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Keano they are a beautiful animal in the right hands .

[mattyg 1,862]

the only 2 wheatens i know both are a bit touchy round other dogs and both are well socialised. but they are top class grafters from my limited knowledge of the breed!

[Mr Hunter 30]

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[hairyface 211]

same dog id bet my house on it the lad that owns the sire is from workington way if its the same one he hunts with a pack of hounds near penrith

thats right mate,he's from cumbria and it is his dog, ted.

 

just been talking to the lad that owns the dog and he was wondering who gave you permission to put that picture up, as he says he certainly didnt...

[Wheaten Bull Terrier 46]

This is my Wheaten x EBT before and after grooming. Only keep him as a pet, though he was bred for work. Excellent guard dog.

[Wheaten Bull Terrier 46]

21 inches tts, and about 70lbs

[Bakerboy 4,663]

Too heavy mate

[Wheaten Bull Terrier 46]

On 13/11/2024 at 00:34, Bakerboy said:

Too heavy mate

He's at pet weight. He's walked about 9km every day. He's pretty fast for his size.