Toka 10 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Fireman..i do get your point, but if it was you or me maybe pups would be given to homes of people you know will work the dogs etc...or at least to cover the cost of chipping/vacs etc...most would see that as reasonable...but that is down to the breeder. when they do get KC'd i wont suddenly change my values...and i am sure there are a few out there who will say the same. Some may put the prices up 'cos of the KC bit but if genuine lads who want to work their dogs get on forums and ask the right questions then they will hopefully be pointed in the right direction of someone who knows their bit, is willing to share in their knowledge and is going to provide a decent pup at a reasonable price/free [if very lucky]. If that keeps on happenning then hopefully people will stay away from the breed for money type, or at least make them drop their prices [but would you really want one from someone who seemed to only be in it for the cash?? ] Not sure if you got me mixed up on the DNA/Certificate of breeding stuff...all of this is being considered by government agencies at the moment [some on the request of KC and other such organisations - its not a Plummer thing]. What the KC/welfare animal groups etc are trying to say is that there are too many dogs in the uk, many without owners - yet we let people breed at will sometimes/often producing vast numbers that end up in more rescue centres or worse etc. they want to try to stop this, and in light of the breeding in of genetic problems by unscrupolous breeders the KC is behind it. they have thought of the idea that all official breeders [professionals] will have to have a certificate of breeding...this will show that they are fit to run that business, they will have to get each pup/dog dna swabbed so that in future parental disputes can be verified or not, and any lost dogs can be returned to owners etc [may help stop thieving of dogs - not sure], they will have to provide health certificates for dogs for the prospective owners to see, including pedigree back something like 10 lines, must show both parents or allow then to be seen with the puppies, may have to declare how many pups born/born dead/defective etc, will have to have a written contract with the prospective owners that if at any time in the dogs life they no longer need it then the breeder will have to take it back [not necessarily give back payment - but must help to rehome etc], breeders will have to provide a guarantee for instance they are thinking along the lines of a 2 year money back guarantee that should any health problems arise then the owners will be entitled to money back or vets costs etc, oh and they are thinking of having a set number of times that any bitch can be bred to over her lifetime!!!....blah blah blah....[sorry for those falling asleep, but i wanted to explain to Fireman and anyone else who may be interested] All these are coming in in some form [possibly more i have forgotten, some may be watered down some may be tightened up] for all professional breeders - and they are hoping to bring in the same for anyone who breeds even for fun/hobby/friends whatever you want to call it. [Not sure how they will police that part of it so to speak] they may link this to insurance, so anyone who wants to get a dog insured will have to provide all/some of the info above to get insurance? any lost dogs will only be reunited with rightfull owner on production of whatever certificate etc and so on and on.....you are probably ok if you breed for your close friends and mates and keep it quiet, but if you ever fall out and your mates dog dies etc or a friend complains cos the vet wont work on a dog without some of this paperwork etc then it may come back on the unlucky breeder. Not sure but it is all in the cooking pot of those big boys in those nice clean offices in their big cities, at the moment...but it is due to come in [or was, sometime next year - may change if there is a change of government]..we shall see...if i hear anymore on it i will post up, as i hadnt heard much of it till the other day either, again something else being slipped in by the back door . hope that is a bit clearer in what i meant!! It isnt/wanst meant as a Plummer thing Fireman - and i dont agree with a lot of what i have heard about it either....anyway gotta get back to my pluckin!!!!lol Quote Link to post
fireman 10,861 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I get it now but had to ask sort of thing ,by the way i myself bred 2 plummer pups,got them docked,chipped and jabbed and redg'd(about £150 per pup) gave one to an very old mate and sold one £200(kids and misses had the money)and still drove a round trip of 150 odd miles to meet the new owner so didn't make a penny out of them in fact lost money but cash ain't what it's all about.Like you say would be hard to police but might save a few dogs doing the rounds and empty some pens in the dogs homes,so could be a good thing but how long before they get tougher towards the working dog side of things?,working lurchers and terriers will suffer the most and maybe in future all there'd be to get is kc non working dogs to choose from :sick: . Quote Link to post
Toka 10 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 i agree...some good points, some not so...will have to wait and see ATB Quote Link to post
Guest 1 man and hiz dog Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 the plummer was bread only for one reason and that was fox... he had a very good but short life and didnt like pain the dog wasnt going to last but shit happens Quote Link to post
stormyboy 1,352 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Are you talking about a particular dog or plummers in general? Quote Link to post
Guest 1 man and hiz dog Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) the dog of course it was a wimp the breed was shite and it didnt do it single handed Edited December 16, 2009 by 1 man and hiz dog Quote Link to post
Guest 1 man and hiz dog Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 the dog of course it was a wimp the breed was shite but how meany ppl do ya know that ya name was a breed ken gould is the only person you will never know lol lol he is the only person you wont see in booksno shit all jokes apart he is the bollocks.... Quote Link to post
stormyboy 1,352 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Been on the crack pipe maybe??? :crazy: Quote Link to post
jonnygray 139 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 great thread lads! never had one or seen one work! read alot of his books and enjoyed em! not a single opinion either way! but each to their own and enjoy! happy huntin fellas! Quote Link to post
tonkatoy 0 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 great thread lads! never had one or seen one work! read alot of his books and enjoyed em! not a single opinion either way! but each to their own and enjoy! happy huntin fellas! well said old chap Quote Link to post
goldfinch2007 2,332 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 if half you boys dont like plummers ,why read the post and then ruin it?its simple every one is different they like them,you lot dont. Quote Link to post
snap 15 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 all plummer owners who want them kc reg is just so they can charge more ££££ for pups and stud fees. all this talk that its for the good of the breed is bollocks! as soon as they become kc reg most of the people that buy them wont be asking about work they will be asking what shows the parents have won and what they should charge for stud fees or is that the case now? Quote Link to post
AMADORE 5 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 the dog of course it was a wimp the breed was shite but how meany ppl do ya know that ya name was a breed ken gould is the only person you will never know lol lol he is the only person you wont see in booksno shit all jokes apart he is the bollocks.... Well he judged an old fellterrier I had once along time ago and put it up first (he had a job spaning it mind) it was so undershot you could have hung your hat on it. Apprently he did'nt mind such bad faults!...when questioned he said the dogs seen some work below...it had seen one fox (that bolted) but hundred of rats! yea some man that !... Quote Link to post
AMADORE 5 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 the dog of course it was a wimp the breed was shite and it didnt do it single handed name the terrier..and who bred it?. Quote Link to post
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