bobthebeaver 0 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes Willum, hunting was a way of life....before McDonalds came along and we found it easier to catch food that way Problem was that some people got too much pleasure from playing with guns and didn't eat what they killed, it became just an excuse to play with guns and the onus was on shooting rather than hunting for food. Pest control got way out of hand too, every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks there is a fox out there with his name on. Pests should be controlled when they are being a pest. This is why Pigeon shooting is now in trouble. Under the guise of 'crop protection' they have been blasted from the skies in thousands even when there is no crop to protect. And in fact that is now the primary factor in new controls on pigeon shooting that will be introduced. You see, common sense goes a long way and if you constantly take the piss then you get your toys taken away. Pigeons are protected just like any other bird but under the general licence you can control them to protect crops, not just to have yourself a fun day out. From the man himself at BASC... If ever a wake-up call was given, it must be the one recently issued by Natural England with the publication of the new General Licences for the control of certain birds in England from 1 January 2010 (News, 7 October). The initial proposals included a ban on the sale of birds, including woodpigeon, shot under the terms of the General Licences system, and this was only retracted after representations by BASC. However, it is my opinion that this was the thin end of a wedge being inserted to separate the sporting shooting of woodpigeon from true, legitimate crop protection activities. It is widely recognised that an industry surrounding the sporting shooting of woodpigeon has developed in the UK under the guise of crop protection. The reason given for proposing this piece of legislation in the first place was to avoid encouraging a trade that might result in people killing more birds than is strictly necessary to resolve the problems the licences are issued to deal with (News, 7 October). How can anyone justify shooting large bags of woodpigeon on set-aside, stubbles, failed crops and in areas where there are no arable crops after reading a statement like that? While many good arguments can be made to keep woodpigeon control under the present system, a great many arguments can equally be made against many of the shooting methods currently used under the label of crop protection. I have shot woodpigeon over the past five decades and, in that time, I have witnessed great advances in farming methods and machinery, as well as the development of many excellent bird-scaring devices. We should not be complacent and assume that we can carry on as we have since 1981, bearing in mind that the woodpigeon is, in fact, a protected bird. In the light of the recent high-profile cases of pigeon shooters being arrested (News, 19 August and 30 September), I feel that it is only a matter of time before some knowledgeable officer or prosecutor questions the legality of what the shooters were doing if not actually shooting over crops. In the Shooting Times debate on 20 March 2008, I stated that woodpigeon should be added to the quarry list and I gave many valid reasons for my stance. The only change I would make to that statement now is that the woodpigeon must be added to the quarry list if we are to continue to enjoy the wonderful sport it provides. Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Bobthebeaver more like BILL ODDIE when did they let you out of the looney bin Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 are you seriously telling me you have never seen Partridge or Pheasant have there primaries trimmed to make them easier to shoot?? Dear sir, do you actually understand what you are talking about? Are you trying to infere that birds are released with clipped wings ready to shoot? I think you have misunderstood the reasons for wing clipping! Hopefully i will be able to put you straight on a few things Firstly partridge are never clipped, as they are generaly released using covered in release pens, there is no need to clip a partridges wing feathers. Pheasants SOMETIMES have there moult feathers clipped just before release at 6 WEEKS old. These clipped feathers drop out naturally over the next couple of weeks or so, as the bird goes through it moult stage. The reason for clipping is a matter of choice of the individual gamekeeper and is done to prevent the young birds flying over the release pen wire too soon. It keeps them within the release pen until they have become familiar with thier surroundings. So as you can plainly see, if any birds are being shot with clipped wings, they would be no older than around 6 - 9 weeks old! Not really ready for the table, i am sure you would agree? Well John, thanks for putting our new member straight on the matter...I had to chuckle when i read his uneducated and transparent drivel!!I mean, the very point of game shooting is to get hard flying , high, fast birds. Clipping their wings would be totally pointless.... They may as well shoot them on the ground! The reason guns pay £25 a bird + for the chance of shooting good hard birds. Indeed, those poulty flappers that can only get 10 yards off the ground and totally ignored..... Shame Bob didnt know what he was talking about ..... still....at least he fits the general pattern....Happy hunting...JD Link to post Share on other sites
rocket ronnie 243 Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 31 guest's men an nothing to say john craven should be terrorised like anti's would do to people when they find out were they live.an we need to get labour out they are a disgrace to our nation.the country is full of immergrants an cheap labour an no jobs for the english an its our country they make you laugh an then they have got our men dying in afgahn fighting somone else's war.people getting raped an killed an the police are more arsed about running round fields looking like tosser's trying to find hunters Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,179 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 You really think NE get it right all the time. Your problem is a little information is a dangerous thing. You think you know but really haven't a clue the clipped wings showed that plus you think the woodpigeon is a protected bird imbecile! It is a bird subject to control methods due to an overabundance, it is an agricultural pest that can devestate a farmers liveliyhood face it you've never been anywhere nere a woodpigeon and gun except at a protest on private land Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TERRIERCENTRAL Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes Willum, hunting was a way of life....before McDonalds came along and we found it easier to catch food that way Problem was that some people got too much pleasure from playing with guns and didn't eat what they killed, it became just an excuse to play with guns and the onus was on shooting rather than hunting for food. Pest control got way out of hand too, every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks there is a fox out there with his name on. Pests should be controlled when they are being a pest. This is why Pigeon shooting is now in trouble. Under the guise of 'crop protection' they have been blasted from the skies in thousands even when there is no crop to protect. And in fact that is now the primary factor in new controls on pigeon shooting that will be introduced. You see, common sense goes a long way and if you constantly take the piss then you get your toys taken away. Pigeons are protected just like any other bird but under the general licence you can control them to protect crops, not just to have yourself a fun day out. From the man himself at BASC... If ever a wake-up call was given, it must be the one recently issued by Natural England with the publication of the new General Licences for the control of certain birds in England from 1 January 2010 (News, 7 October). The initial proposals included a ban on the sale of birds, including woodpigeon, shot under the terms of the General Licences system, and this was only retracted after representations by BASC. However, it is my opinion that this was the thin end of a wedge being inserted to separate the sporting shooting of woodpigeon from true, legitimate crop protection activities. It is widely recognised that an industry surrounding the sporting shooting of woodpigeon has developed in the UK under the guise of crop protection. The reason given for proposing this piece of legislation in the first place was to avoid encouraging a trade that might result in people killing more birds than is strictly necessary to resolve the problems the licences are issued to deal with (News, 7 October). How can anyone justify shooting large bags of woodpigeon on set-aside, stubbles, failed crops and in areas where there are no arable crops after reading a statement like that? While many good arguments can be made to keep woodpigeon control under the present system, a great many arguments can equally be made against many of the shooting methods currently used under the label of crop protection. I have shot woodpigeon over the past five decades and, in that time, I have witnessed great advances in farming methods and machinery, as well as the development of many excellent bird-scaring devices. We should not be complacent and assume that we can carry on as we have since 1981, bearing in mind that the woodpigeon is, in fact, a protected bird. In the light of the recent high-profile cases of pigeon shooters being arrested (News, 19 August and 30 September), I feel that it is only a matter of time before some knowledgeable officer or prosecutor questions the legality of what the shooters were doing if not actually shooting over crops. In the Shooting Times debate on 20 March 2008, I stated that woodpigeon should be added to the quarry list and I gave many valid reasons for my stance. The only change I would make to that statement now is that the woodpigeon must be added to the quarry list if we are to continue to enjoy the wonderful sport it provides. your either an ANTI OR POLICE f**k off Link to post Share on other sites
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 How can anyone justify shooting large bags of woodpigeon on set-aside, stubbles, failed crops Your a prime example of one of these avid readers of all the media, and belives every hyped up piece of crap ever written.... Like I said ive rarely heared such rubbish! Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 791 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 It is scary to think that some of the biggest pheasant shoots could be bought out and turned into wildlife conservation areas. There are more people who would pay more to see a Peregrine Falcon, Osprey, Goshawk or Golden Eagle than there are that pay to shoot pheasants. The trouble is raptors can't be relied upon to make an appearance unlike gamebirds with clipped wings. btb"if a pheasant shoot could be bought out"? it would only be a pheasant shoot NOT the land its on As for the gamebirds wings being clipped? I saw countryfile that week too and it was a gamefarm fulfilling its orders to pheasant shoots, those young birds would be released into pens on the shoot and at such a young age they did nt want them flying out of the pen until they were old enough to fend for themselves by which time they would of gone through the moult and replaced those wing feathers Y.I.S Leeview Link to post Share on other sites
willum 89 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 bob on one hand you talk as if you are a man of the country side and on the other you talk as if your against the whole thing hmmm i wonder are you an anti who has decided to reveal your self and come out of the shadows ? you seem to like to contradict yourself in many ways.but please continue to enlighten us with your limited knowledge theres feck all on telly and i need a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites
Alaunt 4 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes Willum, hunting was a way of life....before McDonalds came along and we found it easier to catch food that way Problem was that some people got too much pleasure from playing with guns and didn't eat what they killed, it became just an excuse to play with guns and the onus was on shooting rather than hunting for food. Pest control got way out of hand too, every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks there is a fox out there with his name on. Pests should be controlled when they are being a pest. This is why Pigeon shooting is now in trouble. Under the guise of 'crop protection' they have been blasted from the skies in thousands even when there is no crop to protect. And in fact that is now the primary factor in new controls on pigeon shooting that will be introduced. You see, common sense goes a long way and if you constantly take the piss then you get your toys taken away. Pigeons are protected just like any other bird but under the general licence you can control them to protect crops, not just to have yourself a fun day out. From the man himself at BASC... If ever a wake-up call was given, it must be the one recently issued by Natural England with the publication of the new General Licences for the control of certain birds in England from 1 January 2010 (News, 7 October). The initial proposals included a ban on the sale of birds, including woodpigeon, shot under the terms of the General Licences system, and this was only retracted after representations by BASC. However, it is my opinion that this was the thin end of a wedge being inserted to separate the sporting shooting of woodpigeon from true, legitimate crop protection activities. It is widely recognised that an industry surrounding the sporting shooting of woodpigeon has developed in the UK under the guise of crop protection. The reason given for proposing this piece of legislation in the first place was to avoid encouraging a trade that might result in people killing more birds than is strictly necessary to resolve the problems the licences are issued to deal with (News, 7 October). How can anyone justify shooting large bags of woodpigeon on set-aside, stubbles, failed crops and in areas where there are no arable crops after reading a statement like that? While many good arguments can be made to keep woodpigeon control under the present system, a great many arguments can equally be made against many of the shooting methods currently used under the label of crop protection. I have shot woodpigeon over the past five decades and, in that time, I have witnessed great advances in farming methods and machinery, as well as the development of many excellent bird-scaring devices. We should not be complacent and assume that we can carry on as we have since 1981, bearing in mind that the woodpigeon is, in fact, a protected bird. In the light of the recent high-profile cases of pigeon shooters being arrested (News, 19 August and 30 September), I feel that it is only a matter of time before some knowledgeable officer or prosecutor questions the legality of what the shooters were doing if not actually shooting over crops. In the Shooting Times debate on 20 March 2008, I stated that woodpigeon should be added to the quarry list and I gave many valid reasons for my stance. The only change I would make to that statement now is that the woodpigeon must be added to the quarry list if we are to continue to enjoy the wonderful sport it provides. You are at it,you know feck all about woodpigeon or pheasant shooting,leave the countryside to those who know how to manage it,we have done well so far and we will continue to keep a good balance,leave us alone Link to post Share on other sites
bobthebeaver 0 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Sorry Willum, I am the one having a laugh, you lot bite so easily Yes I am a man of the countryside, I used to hunt but poachers and idiots have ruined it for most decent folk - such selfish c**ts. I don't want any part of it anymore. I enjoy helping our wildlife now rather than trying to control it. If anything needs controlling on this planet it is us, the real pest. There is nothing better than having the peace and quiet of a Sunday morning shattered by some dorks trying to rid the world of crows, pigeons or magpies. Anyway, I'm of to bed, got a busy day tomorrow at the House of Commons Link to post Share on other sites
Alaunt 4 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Sorry Willum, I am the one having a laugh, you lot bite so easily Yes I am a man of the countryside, I used to hunt but poachers and idiots have ruined it for most decent folk - such selfish c**ts. I don't want any part of it anymore. I enjoy helping our wildlife now rather than trying to control it. If anything needs controlling on this planet it is us, the real pest. There is nothing better than having the peace and quiet of a Sunday morning shattered by some dorks trying to rid the world of crows, pigeons or magpies. Anyway, I'm of to bed, got a busy day tomorrow at the House of Commons I new you were an asshole,dont come back this is a hunting site Link to post Share on other sites
bobthebeaver 0 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Maybe I should point out to those who can't read too good that the previous post about pigeon shooting was not my words but the words of Robert Smith of BASC Link to post Share on other sites
Alaunt 4 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Maybe I should point out to those who can't read too good that the previous post about pigeon shooting was not my words but the words of Robert Smith of BASC You have said plenty good bye Link to post Share on other sites
bobthebeaver 0 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes Alaunt, it is a hunting site...but if it was all about legal hunting activities that would be something else, but then again there probably wouldn't be anyone on here it if that was the case. Link to post Share on other sites
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