willum 89 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 i have been on many shoots and beaten on a lot more my freinds run shoots i have grown up in the country side and i can honustly say that ive never come across this before ive heard of clipping farm geese and the odd chicken to keep it where it is but not on game birds well not in my area or the farms i shoot upon. Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,032 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 If you really want to know about my avatar I have very low self esteem so feel the need to post pictures of my fine physique for the whole world to see (What can I say my body's a temple). As for learning about the workings of this planet you wouldn't know them if they chopped you in the throat with instructions. Take my shooting offer up and we'll see who's twelve Link to post Share on other sites
willum 89 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 oh look as soon as i sadi look the guest are creeping up they disapear like rats up drain pipes the re apear when the coast is clear Link to post Share on other sites
donk 12 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well the guests viewing a topic always increases when the 'anti' word is mentioned, theyre sad grave robbing tw@ts, simple as that. End of the day nothing will stop die hard hunters hunting. Since the ban came in ive started snaring my foxes and my tally has went through the roof compared to what i used to get with the dogs Ive always said the antis doomed the fox to a fate worse than dogging when the ban came in, how right i was. Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,032 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Here's the next generation of hunters right here, Antis Edited December 7, 2009 by mushroom Link to post Share on other sites
carp777 191 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 DAmn, this must be the slowest website I have ever used. Donk, I think you mean 'there will always be poaching' and Carp, are you seriously telling me you have never seen Partridge or Pheasant have there primaries trimmed to make them easier to shoot?? anti, i started my working life as a trainee gamekeeper on the largest estate in scotland, and i've never seen anybody trim flight's to make them easier to shoot!! the fact that you write this show's that you have no understanding of what your writing about i'm not into game shooting myself but i know that the more difficult the shot i'e high flying or fast flying the bird's are the more the shooter's appreciate it, your lack of basic knowledge show's exactly what you are, an anti. Link to post Share on other sites
bobthebeaver 0 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Artic, if it is your land you are welcome to blast the living daylights out of anything that moves on it, shame that is the best use you can think of for it though. And as for Pheasant shoots being bought, ponder this, in this recession many businesses are struggling and anyone would sell out for the right price, all that work just isn't worth it when there is easy money on the table. What would you do, struggle on and sink with the rest or take the money? Read on..... From The Times April 11, 2009 Shooting parties take flight as recession hits the big guns Pheasant and partridge shoots have closed or been scaled back for the next game-shooting season as corporate clients desert the sport in the recession. The sport, worth £1.6 billion to the economy, is the latest to be hit by a loss of hospitality business and sponsorship and follows similar problems at racecourses and football clubs. With six months to go before the new shooting season, scores of gamekeepers have lost their jobs already. Many others fear they will be next and some have also lost their homes. The decline in business from shooting is also expected to have wider repercussions in rural communities and to affect livelihoods of hoteliers, pub landlords, cooks and farmers who rear game birds. The worst affected are middle-market shoots established in the 1980s and 1990s to meet the growing demand from City firms. Some who attended thought nothing of paying £10,000 to £24,000 a day to entertain clients. The impact is being felt most in the South East and the Home Counties, where shoots are within easy travelling distance from London. But shoots all over Britain are being affected and if they have not closed, 10 to 20 per cent are cutting back on shooting days and staff numbers. The biggest shooting estates, however, appear to be cushioned from the economic downturn. These, in the South West, the North of England and Scotland, attract not only the best shots but also the wealthiest individuals. It is not unusual for the best and most regular shots to spend £100,000 a year on the sport. Last month was the crunch time for many shoots — the time of year when shooters are asked to pay a 50 per cent deposit for their shooting days from the autumn until February next year. It is the lack of take-up now that has forced a number of shoots to close and cancel plans to rear and hatch game birds. Tim Kersey, who runs Upwaltham House Farm, Waltham, near Chichester, decided last week he could no longer continue with a shoot he has run for 20 years. Two keepers have lost their jobs. He rented 1,200 acres from local landowners but they wished to increase his rent this year. He may have accepted the rent rise, however, if bookings for the shoot were maintained. His shoot was popular with bankers and hedge-fund investors because it was easily accessible from London. Mr Kersey said: “I sent e-mails to all our regulars in the past few years asking for some indication if they intended to shoot this year. But it is hopeless. Even if people can still afford it, they don’t wish to be seen to do it. Banks can no longer budget for it and if they have been bailed out by the taxpayer senior people can’t be seen to leave the office. “Shooting just won’t happen here this year — I’ve closed it down.†There is real concern for keepers who have lost their jobs. There are 3,000 full-timers and about 2,000 part-timers employed in the sport. Helen Benson, who runs the Gamekeepers’ Welfare Trust, said: “My phone rang with a sorry tale from someone almost every day in February and it was the same in March. Many are in their 50s and are also having to move out of their home. They don’t want publicity, however. It is a sensitive issue. They don’t want to be seen to speak out against estate owners.†Brian Mitchell, south west regional chairman of the National Gamekeepers’ Organisation, said: “We have lost four keepers. Some shoots have closed down and others are cutting staff or not replacing anyone who retires. I also know some who have lost their homes but they won’t talk about it because they think they won’t get another job.†One keeper who lost his job on a Scottish estate spoke to the Shooting Times on condition of anonymity. He said: “When I was made redundant I was given only six weeks to vacate my four-bedroomed detached home with 1.5 acres. I had seven dogs at the time, so it was extremely stressful trying to find another home. All the council could offer me was a one-bedroom flat, which was useless to me.†Simon Hart, chief executive of the Countryside Alliance, said: “Shooting makes an important contribution to the rural economy, but seems to be particularly vulnerable to the present economic downturn. The credit crunch may have hit the bankers first, but it is now causing real pain in rural areas.†Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,032 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Do you read the Star aswell Hear they're very informative Link to post Share on other sites
donk 12 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Of course there will always be poachers,same as there will always be burglars or policemen, whats your point? Link to post Share on other sites
happylamper 7 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well the guests viewing a topic always increases when the 'anti' word is mentioned, theyre sad grave robbing tw@ts, simple as that. End of the day nothing will stop die hard hunters hunting. Since the ban came in ive started snaring my foxes and my tally has went through the roof compared to what i used to get with the dogs Ive always said the antis doomed the fox to a fate worse than dogging when the ban came in, how right i was. alot more live traps knocking around too,seen loads just recently. Link to post Share on other sites
willum 89 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 hunting has been part of life for thousands of years we as a nation were hunter gatherers. it will never stop but i think the way its going will be restricted in some way or another. even if the re peal goes ahead. this is my opinion any way which will be a shame for all who participate in every country pursuit. we live in very hard times as it is. and we dont need the negative veiws spread across the whole tv network for all to see in such a bad light.this hotly debated subject between anti and pro will rage on long after we have all gone like the wars in the middle east.but 1 thing is for sure you will never stop us. Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Bob, thats fine, and i see you have your ammo to hand. I have no comment to make with those clippings from The Times that you have posted. Lets all get on, kiss and cuddle and prey. :kiss: Link to post Share on other sites
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Ive rarely seen one person talk so much rubbish on this site until Bob came along.... well done mate, something to be proud of! Link to post Share on other sites
carp777 191 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Ive rarely seen one person talk so much rubbish on this site until Bob came along.... well done mate, something to be proud of! i'd like to know why obvious anti's are allowed to participate on a hunter's forum? Link to post Share on other sites
John Keswick 119 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) are you seriously telling me you have never seen Partridge or Pheasant have there primaries trimmed to make them easier to shoot?? Dear sir, do you actually understand what you are talking about? Are you trying to infere that birds are released with clipped wings ready to shoot? I think you have misunderstood the reasons for wing clipping! Hopefully i will be able to put you straight on a few things Firstly partridge are never clipped, as they are generaly released using covered in release pens, there is no need to clip a partridges wing feathers. Pheasants SOMETIMES have there moult feathers clipped just before release at 6 WEEKS old. These clipped feathers drop out naturally over the next couple of weeks or so, as the bird goes through it moult stage. The reason for clipping is a matter of choice of the individual gamekeeper and is done to prevent the young birds flying over the release pen wire too soon. It keeps them within the release pen until they have become familiar with thier surroundings. So as you can plainly see, if any birds are being shot with clipped wings, they would be no older than around 6 - 9 weeks old! Not really ready for the table, i am sure you would agree? Edited December 7, 2009 by John Keswick Link to post Share on other sites
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