RIGHT THEN WHITE PATTS

[Alaunt 4]

If people believe that B Plummer made over 100 trips to the lakes and that the information paved the way for the book The Fell Terrier then they would have read that Ilfracombe badger digging club dogs were used as an outsross to the lakeland/bedlington felltypes and the Ilfracombe dogs were predominently all white, the Buck/Brey line was bred out of dogs from the same area over the next 30 ish years onwards, so in essence black stuff has an input of pure white terriers be it 100 years ago or more but it is there in the blood.

 

In human terms that is only 4 generations and in dog terms it can go down to 25 generations and when people sell and pass on working dogs there is no way that all the white terriers in the line have been bred out or killed/put down

Good post and good point,that is what i am saying most black dogs show the white gene but in a small visible way,some folk went one way breeding white bodied strains others favoured the black dogs[but they still carry the white gene today and you can take that to the bank]

[webby 31]

One thing here guys is that a bitch can average 4 or 5 pups, how many will have white on them.

WE DONT KNOW HOW GENES THROW FOR PUPS, SO NOTHING IS GARENTEED EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE WORKING ABILITY ( 3 OF A LITTER MIGHT FAIL WITHOUT A START AND 1 WILL KILL TO GROUND) GENES ARE GENES AND UNPREDICTABLE

[lonedigga 22]

Why is it that any white on a patterdale is put down to russell blood?Nobody seems to deny that there's bull in most of todays black dogs.Is this not just as likely to account for the "WhitePatts"Look at the colours,Either pied or white chests/toes/legs.Plenty of bulls about with that colouring .When you look at the "White Lakelands" it's a different matter Often all white or at least Predominantly white and the russell influence in them is well documented..JMHO

Edited December 1, 2009 by lonedigga

[sounder79 80]

interesting thread.if you get a white pup after mating 2 coloured dogs,isnt that just a throwback? simple as? i met a fella on the street and he had 2 brindle terriers,big dogs with big bull heads,i said to him that theres bull in them is there? no bull in them he said! so i just had to take his word for it,the man was in dogs for 30 years and knew his stuff and bred great dogs,but i still believed there must have been bull in his dogs,they looked like half bulls for feck sake.still he was convinced that there was no bull in them.didnt look like it too me anyway

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Sounder79 this isnt aimed at your post mate.

Why do people say there is no bull, when obviously it has some influence on the make up of the dog?

[Cleanspade 3,322]

the white can come from any breed in the background. or could be from mixed breeds.

ie. russell bull. spaniel. if there are white or part white in the background of BOTH parents. then there is a chance it will show sooner or later. so if you breed a bitch that has russell in its background to a dog with spaniel or bull in its background. then it may show but is not down to a particular breed. probably more likely to be due to different breeds

[the_stig 6,614]

white is a predomiant gene ... .. i`ve bred for colour for show purposes in birds and although i never really mastered it i had a great time trying to get my head round genetics . what go`s in comes out somewhere ..i had a border bitch with a white foot 2nd generation pups had more white put over a russell dog and another generation on i had some cracking looking show stopping ---- russells

[Ben Dover 1]

if white terriers aprar in a mating then there was white terriers in the background.

AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. white is reccesive and has to be carried by. BOTH parents. next thing folk will be telling me blacks white

never a truer word spoken

and black is actually dominant, so is a smooth coat.

White is recessive and therefore needs to be in both parents, no matter what breed. How far can most people trace back the breeding of their dogs, most don't even know more than the mother, father and sometimes the grandparents. Most just listen to what they want to hear instead of doing some research. You would be surprised what you can find out. If you go back far enough you will see that in the end they are ALL just crossbreeds

Edited December 2, 2009 by Ben Dover

[Cleanspade 3,322]

white is a predomiant gene ... .. i`ve bred for colour for show purposes in birds and although i never really mastered it i had a great time trying to get my head round genetics . what go`s in comes out somewhere ..i had a border bitch with a white foot 2nd generation pups had more white put over a russell dog and another generation on i had some cracking looking show stopping ---- russells

 

stig white is recessive mate

[the_stig 6,614]

white is a predomiant gene ... .. i`ve bred for colour for show purposes in birds and although i never really mastered it i had a great time trying to get my head round genetics . what go`s in comes out somewhere ..i had a border bitch with a white foot 2nd generation pups had more white put over a russell dog and another generation on i had some cracking looking show stopping ---- russells

 

stig white is recessive mate

thats the word -- i was ment to post non predomiant gene you can see why i could`nt get my head round genetics ..

[Cleanspade 3,322]

no wonder them budgies where funny colours

[webby 31]

Anyone else got a mostly white patt/fell type

[steve R 405]

Anyone else got a mostly white patt/fell type

i got a white pat bred by b nuttall he says its a throw back to the bull in his line.