RIGHT THEN WHITE PATTS

[nakednutt 58]

the dam of the white and black dog of brydens is out of a russell put back to a choc patt. hope this helps

[mbrydenuk 14]

the dam of the white and black dog of brydens is out of a russell put back to a choc patt. hope this helps

there you go lads was the russel wee fs bitch mate,

[nakednutt 58]

yes mate.

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Strong looking white dog there.

Has he started yet?

[mbrydenuk 14]

no mate its still quite daft the black dogs doing well thou

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Ok, hope the dog does its job in the future.

[mbrydenuk 14]

its still young theres plenty of time yet

[webby 31]

One thing i know about this topic is that the russell looking dogs and bitches that come out of good lines of black stuff always have a question mark above them by terriermen, whether they have been at it for 3 years or 30 years, they will always question or not believe you that the terrier is straight black stuff blood and ASSURE you that the terrier is a half bred russell/patt,fell type. When some of these terriermen are well known in their area or in general in the business but will not take on board that the terrier is pure black stuff it is disheartening, in a way because people say colour doesnt matter but how many of you lot would buy a black and white terrier and believe the breeder of the pup that it is Buck/Brey black stuff without any russell in it at all. This is one of the reasons why i will just call mine a russell type and when the time comes i will be putting a dog like Jamie2004's russell dog from Duggan lines over my bitch, although i dont know what jamies or duggan line dogs work like i have no doubt that a bit more fire can only be good for for working russells especially in a few years time when one of these pups can be crossed with a broken coated russell ( outcrossing has always been done and that is why we are where we are today with working terriers).That is a good looking russell.

 

I personally have given up saying what breeding mine is and all i will say is that it is of Buck/Brey decendency with no russell in there at all.

 

Edited November 30, 2009 by webby

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Good point there again Webby.

This must have been raised a hell of a lot of times in the past, where and why is the white showing up.

There were a few pups for sale about 6 months ago, 1 black and 1 white with black markings,

Both from black STUFF.

If I were to pick out of the two, then the white dog would of been chosen.

Afterall there is all the chance of it been as good if not better than the black one.

Another Question raised perhaps.

[Alaunt 4]

If you look at a lot of pats there is a good percentage with either or both white on there chest,toes or feet,this shows that these black dogs are carrying the gene for white,now when these dogs are paired to each other you are doubling up on the white gene,which sometimes lies dormant for a long time,but every so often will show its self in a pup that has a lot of white,this is my opinion i could be wrong

[Cleanspade 3,324]

if white terriers aprar in a mating then there was white terriers in the background.

AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. white is reccesive and has to be carried by. BOTH parents. next thing folk will be telling me blacks white

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Is there any exception to this C S ?

[Alaunt 4]

if white terriers aprar in a mating then there was white terriers in the background.

AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. white is reccesive and has to be carried by. BOTH parents. next thing folk will be telling me blacks white

BOTH PARENTS is what i stated in my post,

[webby 31]

If people believe that B Plummer made over 100 trips to the lakes and that the information paved the way for the book The Fell Terrier then they would have read that Ilfracombe badger digging club dogs were used as an outsross to the lakeland/bedlington felltypes and the Ilfracombe dogs were predominently all white, the Buck/Brey line was bred out of dogs from the same area over the next 30 ish years onwards, so in essence black stuff has an input of pure white terriers be it 100 years ago or more but it is there in the blood.

 

In human terms that is only 4 generations and in dog terms it can go down to 25 generations and when people sell and pass on working dogs there is no way that all the white terriers in the line have been bred out or killed/put down

[chezney 44]

a member off this site has a tidy white dog bred out of blacks for generations he threw white with black patches the dog is a good experianced digging dog that has prob seen more work than most

Did you have a white terrier bred out of Nuttals patts Chezney mate, or am I mixed up here? Cheers DnN

no a mate on here has and im sure he will reply to this thread or his diggin partner will