Dogs attacking sheep

[IanB 0]

Mrcuban, I undertstand completely....glad you got it sorted

[Guest oldskool]

thinking back on it i think i remember the fella telling me that the electic shock ones were banned. has anyone tried using it for simple training like recalling etc? the greyhpund i have only comes when he feels like it and i cant help but wonder if he got a dig would it speed the bugger up a bit lol...

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited January 20, 2008 by oneredtrim

[bullmastiff 615]

American triallers use them all the time, wont train without one. The dog is supposed to be trained to the coller before you use it for correctional work. used correctly the dog is given a command then buzzed (low level constant shock) until it reacts so the dog learns that IT controls the coller, the sooner it reacts the quicker the buzz stops, If the dog slows up or turns away from you whilst being recalled the shock starts again. Same for sending it back etc. etc. Also used for 'snake bites' to teach the dog the easier way that snakes are dangerous, they leave out a rubber snake and walk past with the dog, when it goes to sniff this strange looking animal it's given a high level jolt which it'll remember for a very long time!

So if it works for snakes it'll work for sheep, put the dog in the situation you control with sheep in the vicinity when it baits towards them give it a snick. if it makes a determined attempt at them give it a strong jolt.

 

You can hire e-collers nowday's so you don't even need to fork out loads of dosh to buy one!

[Guest Gregg Barrow]

There are some good articles here.

http://www.dobbsdogs.com/

You can look in the Hound and Pointing section for Deer running (a big no no here) and Snake proofing. It would be the same aversive techniques used for livestock chasers.

 

I know some of the countries that have outlawed electric collars as a training aide still permit its use when it’s the last option prior to euthanasia.

 

Stock worrying would definitely fall in this category.

 

 

Best,

Gregg

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Using shockers for Anything but the life or death, I feel, is the slippery slope. Mr C there saved his Dogs life in one hit. F***ing sorted! But for Anything else? F*** No! Take the time to get yeself trained to train a Dog. Like man has done for the past millenia.

 

Face it; Ye start by using it to stop, eg. Dog on Dog aggression? Then it's to stop it running off. Next, to stop it barking. How long before ye sat there at ye key board, spotting that 10 week puppy going into a squat and Zap!

 

No. Like people are saying: If it's do or dead? Better a belt than a bullet. But stop right there, eh?

 

 

Incidently; For raising / training this new terrier pup of mine, I've tried to adopt what I know of an American friends methods. I only know a few points of his. He's God, as far as I'm concerned and trains OB and PP.

 

Ye know what? It's as if this pup's some sort of f***ing freak! She's learning so much, so fast, I could swear she'll be driving my tractor soon ~ and even I can't do that!

 

But, no. She's just another pup. Only I'm using sh*t that works. They call it " Training ". Incredible stuff!

[Guest itallion stallion]

How good they would be on bull cross or collie cross i dont know. However level 8 im sure would drop the dog to the ground!

 

i have tried a few different makes of these collars on dogs and i think they work on some but not on others.i have a bulldog that i tried it on for barking as i was getting ear ache off a neighbour . it was the top of the range one they did and it still didn't work on level 8 . when it would go off he would just grab hold of his kennel etc and start pulling lumps out of it i spoke to the bloke who sells them and he said he has never had a single dog that a ys 500 on level 8 hasn't stopped barking etc ..... as a last resort they have got to be worth a try but don't expect them to work on all dogs .

Edited September 14, 2006 by itallion stallion

[DUCKWING 302]

WELL LADS ,

 

STALLIONS TRIED ALL THESE COLLERS ....... HES A RIGHT ONE FOR GADJETS :wacko:

 

AND BELIVE ME , HE AINT NO LIAR , HIS DOG IF GETTING PAIN TRYS TO DISH TWICE AS MUCH OUT ..... THEN CARRIES ON AS NORMAL

 

PERSONALLY I BELIVE HES HAD MUCH MORE SUCESS STOPPING THIS DOG BARKING WITH A SQUIRT GUN , THE ONLY GOOD THING IS A COLLAR WORKS WHEN YOUR OUT OF YOUR HOME

 

 

IMO ............ YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO TRUST A DOG THATS DROPPED A SHEEP ONCE ITS RUN OUT OF EYESIGHT !!! , AND BELIVE ME THEY KNOW WHEN YOUR NOT IN RANGE

PERSONALLY .......... I THINK TOO MUCH OF MY HUNTING GROUNDS AND THE GOOD WILL OF FARMERS TO KEEP A STOCK WORRIER , IT WOULDNT SEE THE SUN RISE

 

DUCKWING

Edited September 14, 2006 by DUCKWING

[mrcuban 0]

Interesting replies to this thread. I think the only use for these collars is to stop stock worrying i personally wouldnt use one for any other training issues. However although it was very effective in curing my dog of worrying i agree with others on the thread that a dog cant be trusted once its worried stock. To put it simply im confident that my dog will not worry stock while im in its presence but if was asked to leave it alone in a field of sheep on its own and return in an hour i would be a worried man. As most people are not going to be asked to do this then i dont think it is a problem. If anyone is having problems with stockworrying dogs i would recommend you try the collar before giving up.

[Guest lady hunter]

our bull cross went after sheep when he was a pup, he caught it , didnt do any damage we got there before he could , but he had one hell of a thump for doing it and that was all that was really needed to put an end to him running sheep, he would look, but was bollocked even for that. Now we can take him any where even walk him straight threw a flock , so it can be done without shock collers .

[Guest caneio]

my first post here so quick hi to all,enjoy the reeding.

 

firstly sheep have to be the bloody hardest to teach a dog to leave,down here `wales` they pop up from everywhere,fern bushes ect there a right pain.

for me its all about eye contact,dont even let them look at it,if they do walk them on firmly with eyes front.

if i let him look for to long 10/15 seconds he will charge.

i like to be able to call them `off` a chase with summit hes allowed to chase and catch this helps later on with sheep.

i cant and wouldnt want the spirit taken right out of him so therefore persistance with what i do pays off in the end,dog soon realises his every step is being watched by myself so he wont want the agro and see me get mad at him for trying to disobey,do summit he knows i dont like,wont allow.

 

shock collars personally i wouldnt touch them but have [bANNED TEXT]`s who use them with there pb`s and they work fine for them,the type they have are long range numerous settings and you can work them so they bleep first to warn the dog stop now cause in 2 sec`s the shock will come if you dont.

as mentioned above though ive seen them bought for livestock then gradually used for everything which is a big shame and dont agree with,they can ruin a dog if overabused.

no dog is unbrakeable they just take longer for things to sink in,for me it took a long time but hes mastiff blood as a pup to much hormone/testosterene (spelling ) and will to fight everything in the world,that died slowly with age and made my job easier in getting through to him,taking him out as a charged pup and trying when young would,was a nightmare.

 

always be alert even when your on top dont drop your guard and dont relax your commands very firm all the time.

just my 2 cents.

[Guest rabbithunter2006]

hi, wemt for another walk with the dogs across the same fields, kept them on the leads and walked towards the sheep, the dogs wernt interested as much. i let the dogs off after half an hour. they didnt pay no attention to the sheep whatsoever . lets hope it stays like this

[swamper 11]

From 4-5 months old,get them in a field with ewes in lamb, they won't think about it after that!

 

bang on