Custom Vermin Calibres

[Grousekeeper84 2]

Hi everyone i was looking at getting a new vermin rifle built and everyone seems to have their own opinion on calibres whats everyones opinion on the 6mm PPC, 6mm BR, 6-284 and the .243 Middlestead as these were the ones I was looking at?

All advice would be greatly recieved!

[njc110381 0]

Blimey, you're not wanting to eat what you shoot then?! Those are some serious long range rounds. Just the fact that you're asking has made me feel a little out of my depth! The 6BR seems very popular with the top shots, so there must be a reason for that? If I was to go for a custom of this calibre then I think that's what I'd buy.

 

I shoot a .17AH which is what made me take a look at this topic. It's got nothing on the kit you're looking it, but it serves its purpose very well. I guess it just depends what sort of ranges you want to push out to.

[Deker 3,478]

Hi everyone i was looking at getting a new vermin rifle built and everyone seems to have their own opinion on calibres whats everyones opinion on the 6mm PPC, 6mm BR, 6-284 and the .243 Middlestead as these were the ones I was looking at?

All advice would be greatly recieved!

 

What Vermin did you have in mind to shoot?

[09mutley05 0]

hi Grousekeeper84, was looking into this myself considering a 6mm 06 improved or a 6x284, have you had a look at these? thanks matt

[provarmint 25]

Purely for vermin,fox, Bowers 20PPC, 40grs @ 4000fps and 1/4 MOA or less.

http://www.specialistrifleservices.co.uk/custom_01.html

[SNAP SHOT 194]

personally i'd favour a 6mm ppc

 

Super accurte round,

 

this is gonna be an intresting thread, good luck with whatever you decide.....

 

 

Snap.

[danebrewer10 6]

not to shit stir, but what is wrong with the calibres we already have? I just feel rightly or wrongly that we don't need any more calibres filling tiny performance niches when there are other more standard cartridges that do pretty much the same job, plus if you do choose a super fast round you'll have barrel erosion to contend with... I dunno, I think that the "normal" choices like .243/22-250/25-06/6.5x55 would be fine,plus there is loaded ammo for them... but I guess, and I would put myself into this category sometimes, it's nice to have something out of the ordinary, something of a talking point....

 

Cheers

DB

[provarmint 25]

Black + white telly, vhs, Mini metro, vinyl records all did the job. Human nature to want to find something better suited. If I had the money it's the road I'd be taking.

ATB,

PV.

[danebrewer10 6]

Black + white telly, vhs, Mini metro, vinyl records all did the job. Human nature to want to find something better suited. If I had the money it's the road I'd be taking.

ATB,

PV.

ha ha nice comparison! since you put it that way I can see the attraction.... still not my cup of tea though...

 

DB

[Mr_Logic 5]

The only reason to use them over something more mainstream is the range - just how far away is this vermin of yours?

 

Personally, unless we're talking seriously extreme range, I don't see the point of anything so rare. Yes they are all pretty good, but, well ... Hmmm....

[Grousekeeper84 2]

Yeah i totally agree there is plenty options and superb performance with many of the factory calibres especially with home loading but why not try to achieve the best possible performance there is. And as danebrewer said it sometimes nice to have something a little different! Where would man be if we didnt push things to the absoloute limit! Yeah super fast shooting rounds burn out barrels but they will also burn out a lot of shit on the way!

[Deker 3,478]

Yeah i totally agree there is plenty options and superb performance with many of the factory calibres especially with home loading but why not try to achieve the best possible performance there is. And as danebrewer said it sometimes nice to have something a little different! Where would man be if we didnt push things to the absoloute limit! Yeah super fast shooting rounds burn out barrels but they will also burn out a lot of shit on the way!

 

 

Each to their own but heres another viewpoint....

 

....but why not try to achieve the best possible performance there is...

 

This can only be achieved by being very specialised.

 

Enjoy yourself and by all means experiment, but by doing so and achieving the best you can, you become VERY specialist with barrels, loads, bullets, quarry and distances. And you are unlikely to end up with a hunting rifle, most likely a wait and ambush rifle as it will be too heavy and too long to cart around. Don't forget, you will also need to spend a fortune on glass as well if you expect extreme performance from the rifle. The thrill of shooting a crow in the head at distance will soon pass, I'm quite happy to aim at the body!!

 

What price for a TINY increase in "performance"???

 

That's why I have so many different rifles!

 

ATB!

[RicW 67]

Hi everyone i was looking at getting a new vermin rifle built and everyone seems to have their own opinion on calibres whats everyones opinion on the 6mm PPC, 6mm BR, 6-284 and the .243 Middlestead as these were the ones I was looking at?

All advice would be greatly recieved!

 

For ultimate long-range accuracy you'll need the Norma 6mm BR. It is not the same chambering as the Remington 6mmbr; Norma developed a special bullet, longer than the 6mmbr, to get the highest possible BC. So if that's your choice you'll need a 28" Pacmor barrel. As consolation you can try to emulate the American 1000yd bench shooters who can put 25 successive rounds in a 3" group. 0.3deg. MOA at 1000yds. Dial in the drop and windage put the crosshairs on Charley's chest. Job done.

 

Then the ultimate deranged varmint buster is the 5mm/35 SMC. This uses a 6mm br case necked down to 5mm/.204". It will fire a 30gr Berger Molydisulphide coated bullet at 4800fps (yes Matilda, that is four thousand eight hundred feet per second), ME 1535ft.lbs from a 28" Pacmor barrel.

 

As said above not stalking or mooching guns!

 

The SMC would probably melt your barrel before it wore out.

 

Ric

Edited November 28, 2009 by RicW

[Grousekeeper84 2]

Hi everyone i was looking at getting a new vermin rifle built and everyone seems to have their own opinion on calibres whats everyones opinion on the 6mm PPC, 6mm BR, 6-284 and the .243 Middlestead as these were the ones I was looking at?

All advice would be greatly recieved!

 

For ultimate long-range accuracy you'll need the Norma 6mm BR. It is not the same chambering as the Remington 6mmbr; Norma developed a special bullet, longer than the 6mmbr, to get the highest possible BC. So if that's your choice you'll need a 28" Pacmor barrel. As consolation you can try to emulate the American 1000yd bench shooters who can put 25 successive rounds in a 3" group. 0.3deg. MOA at 1000yds. Dial in the drop and windage put the crosshairs on Charley's chest. Job done.

 

Then the ultimate deranged varmint buster is the 5mm/35 SMC. This uses a 6mm br case necked down to 5mm/.204". It will fire a 30gr Berger Molydisulphide coated bullet at 4800fps (yes Matilda, that is four thousand eight hundred feet per second), ME 1535ft.lbs from a 28" Pacmor barrel.

 

As said above not stalking or mooching guns!

 

The SMC would probably melt your barrel before it wore out.

 

Ric

 

 

 

Bloody hell that bullet is shifting!

[RicW 67]

Black + white telly, vhs, Mini metro, vinyl records all did the job. Human nature to want to find something better suited. If I had the money it's the road I'd be taking.

ATB,

PV.

 

What do you mean "vinyl records did the job"? I have 10.000 LPs and a terrifyingly expensive system to play them and they blow all this digital crap into the weeds. Until you hear Janis Joplin on a supercut vinyl singing Road Block you ain't lived. Mark you, I heard her sing it live on the IOW same year as Bobby and Jimi . . .

 

RicW aka the old hippie.