Shooting deer with .17hmr

[Deker 3,478]

He appears to have a very big mouth and a very small brain, this sort of stupidity gets all shooters a bad name!

[RicW 67]

Thanks guys, I was going to call the FEO and go to see the landowner tomorrow. I suppose he could be lying about the deer to make himself look big but at the end of the day it is not on. I know for a fact that on a shared permission he nearly shot someone else, he was in cover across a lane on common land and shooting over the road into the land he has permission on. Fortunately the guys over the road were lying flat waiting for rabbits and not stood up otherwise it could have been fatal for them or anyone on the lane.

Now how the hell do I word it with the FEO ?

 

Phone your own FEO, tell him/her the crack and sress that you, as a responsible shooter, want this kind of behaviour stopped NOW. Probably the same FEO any way, but if not they all know each other. This clown should be stripped of his FAC and charged with an offence under firearms legislation. Never get a ticket again. Well Hooray!

Dipshits like him should . . . Yes well. Best not say too much.

 

Keep us posted mate.

 

Ric

[waidmann 105]

i would follow the above advice mate. contact your feo and explain that this is what was said,its up to him to investigate further(contacting the land owner whether he was told a .243 is at hand etc etc).

 

the pillock needs stopping before someone gets hurt. let alone the implications for the deer.

sad story really.

[BRYAN3 29]

Hello Mate.

Don't believe anything you hear and only half what you see.

However if this chap really is that bad he needs outing because if there is an incident there would be an enquiry

and all shooters on that land would be stopped.

Be careful because you may quote one tale that he only spoke of to one person. If he is then challenged on it the cat is let out of the bag. You will not be wanting a 'tit for tat' war going on.

 

ATB-Bryan

[dave1372 83]

If I were you I would take it step by step. First of all speak to the land owner before you speak to the FEO. Suggest to the landowner that he should tell this guy that he has been advised by local police to get a copy of any shooters that shoot on his land firearms/sgc license. This is a credible excuse for him to get hold of the firearms certificate then he can check first of all what rifles and what quarry he can shoot. You will look over zealous and be a bit embarassed if you go making allegations to the FEO which you have no evidence to report except word of mouth and the FEO reports he does have that calibre of rifle. Once you know what is on his license then speak to the FEO but try to keep it factual, the FEO can't really act on hearsay, you can only comment on what this guy said to you directly not what others say about him. Good luck, the guy sounds like an arse if he is shooting deer with a .17hmr!

[HUnter_zero 58]

My mate bumped into him yesterday and he was telling him that he had shot deer on this land with his .17hmr.The only deer on that land are reds.

quite possibly true.

What would you do in this situation guys ?

 

All you have is hearsay, you have no substantial proof or even a shred of evidence to suggest this chap is shooting the deer with a .17HMR. What might start out as a righteous mission to stop inexcusable cruelty to deer may well end with you being in a lot of hot water and even in court. I would not call my FEO or even talk to the police at this stage. You need this chap to actually tell YOU personally or you need to find evidence of this crime. Once you have either then speak to the land owner, get his feed back, then take it one step at a time. AS the saying goes, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions', rushing in to this may well leave you in more trouble than the guy who is being accused.

 

John

Edited November 24, 2009 by HUnter_zero

[bigears 205]

has the farmer given him permission to shoot game/deer

[Malt 379]

Sounds like bullshit on the part of the HMR shooter to me.

[Thwaites 0]

Aye i know a lad on my course that used to do that in north yorks. Feckin stupid like

[bert69 5]

find out if it is definately true then grass him up. twats like that should not have the privelege of shooting deer or any animal.

[firepower 68]

Hmmm more food for though. I decided to wait and see what more people said before I act. It is a thorny one for sure. I think a quiet word in the land owners shell like may be the order of the day

[RicW 67]

Hmmm more food for though. I decided to wait and see what more people said before I act. It is a thorny one for sure. I think a quiet word in the land owners shell like may be the order of the day

 

Agreed. My first reaction was just plain anger at this twat. But you do need to be fairly sure of the situation before you go off on one! Check if the permission holder allowed him to shoot deer on the understanding that he would be using .243, which is the minimum deer calibre in England and Wales. On the other hand, remember that just because he has .243 on his ticket it doesn't prove he actually owns one. You are in a very difficult position mate but remember that if you report a suspected offence and it turns out that there was no offence committed you have no problem so long as you had reason to suspect that there was an offence.

 

Me, I'd still grass the fu**er up.

 

Ric

[charlie caller 3,654]

Yes he could just be talking shite, but a word with the landowner would be a good first step,get him on side, and that will only strengthen your case should you need to take it further, maybe a word from him on the grounds of if I hear any more reports of this nature andyou are off,I am keeping my eye on you ect might just do the trick, but then of course he will know whose told landowner,difficult one mate,by the way just to be pedantic .243 is not the minimum calibre for large deer in england and wales its actually .240 not that many people have one though I think its a holland and holland calibre, CHARLIE CALLER.

[RicW 67]

Yes he could just be talking shite, but a word with the landowner would be a good first step,get him on side, and that will only strengthen your case should you need to take it further, maybe a word from him on the grounds of if I hear any more reports of this nature andyou are off,I am keeping my eye on you ect might just do the trick, but then of course he will know whose told landowner,difficult one mate,by the way just to be pedantic .243 is not the minimum calibre for large deer in england and wales its actually .240 not that many people have one though I think its a holland and holland calibre, CHARLIE CALLER.

 

.240 is the term used for the Weatherby .240 Magnum. Based on, but more powerful than, the original H&H. One helluva round!

 

Ric

[danebrewer10 6]

I was told yesterday by a good mate that someone who shoots on some of the same land as us has been given permission to shoot on different land that I occasionally shoot too. The chap that has started shooting on there told the owner that he has a .243 although he hasn't. My mate bumped into him yesterday and he was telling him that he had shot deer on this land with his .17hmr.The only deer on that land are reds.

He is well known around here for shooting dangerously and irresponsibly so the tale is quite possibly true.

What would you do in this situation guys ?

 

report him to the landowner, and then the police because that is obviously strictly illegal and would, I should imagine carry a pretty hafty fine allong with losing your firearm certificate...