Swampy 147 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/wales_politics/8350333.stm So it looks like the Taffs will have their independence and get away from the corruption at Westminster. Where's the justice? And will they survive on their own or will England have to bail them out? No doubt they will still be able to vote on English policy! I've nothing against any of the principalities gaining independence but surely this has not been thought out properly and is being rushed through. Your views and comments would be welcome Rgds Swampy first ning at work today at 09:38 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/wales_politics/8350333.stm So it looks like the Taffs will have their independence and get away from the corruption at Westminster. Where's the justice? And will they survive on their own or will England have to bail them out? No doubt they will still be able to vote on English policy! I've nothing against any of the principalities gaining independence but surely this has not been thought out properly and is being rushed through. Your views and comments would be welcome Rgds Swampy first ning at work today at 09:38 Let the Welsh have their own Parliament. The Scots have theirs, the Nothern Irish have Stormont. BUT let's have an English Parliament with only representatives from seats in England. Local votes on local matters. Then have a Federal British Parliament for matters concerning the whole UK. Ric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/8350333.stm So it looks like the Taffs will have their independence and get away from the corruption at Westminster. Where's the justice? And will they survive on their own or will England have to bail them out? No doubt they will still be able to vote on English policy! I've nothing against any of the principalities gaining independence but surely this has not been thought out properly and is being rushed through. Your views and comments would be welcome Rgds Swampy first ning at work today at 09:38 Let the Welsh have their own Parliament. The Scots have theirs, the Nothern Irish have Stormont. BUT let's have an English Parliament with only representatives from seats in England. Local votes on local matters. Then have a Federal British Parliament for matters concerning the whole UK. Ric I'd agree with you on that Ric. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/wales_politics/8350333.stm So it looks like the Taffs will have their independence and get away from the corruption at Westminster. Where's the justice? And will they survive on their own or will England have to bail them out? No doubt they will still be able to vote on English policy! I've nothing against any of the principalities gaining independence but surely this has not been thought out properly and is being rushed through. Your views and comments would be welcome Rgds Swampy first ning at work today at 09:38 Let the Welsh have their own Parliament. The Scots have theirs, the Nothern Irish have Stormont. BUT let's have an English Parliament with only representatives from seats in England. Local votes on local matters. Then have a Federal British Parliament for matters concerning the whole UK. Ric Agreed. How though would you determine whether English MP are English? And how would the GB wealth be distributed? Could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? I personally think its being rushed swampy Englishning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? Without a doubt make, and if we we're struggling that's where the benefit of EU membership comes in. I'm not a huge fan of the EU, but we pay enough in to it, and that's what it's there for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? Without a doubt make, and if we we're struggling that's where the benefit of EU membership comes in. I'm not a huge fan of the EU, but we pay enough in to it, and that's what it's there for. Sounds like a bit of a misnoma then. Independence? Independent of what? Substitute Westminster with Brussels. Concessions are always made, so all that money Westminster is currently paying to the EU will/should have to come from Cardiff?! I reckon you'd be better off without the EU! rgds Swampy ninging for a free red dragon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? Without a doubt make, and if we we're struggling that's where the benefit of EU membership comes in. I'm not a huge fan of the EU, but we pay enough in to it, and that's what it's there for. Sounds like a bit of a misnoma then. Independence? Independent of what? Substitute Westminster with Brussels. Concessions are always made, so all that money Westminster is currently paying to the EU will/should have to come from Cardiff?! I reckon you'd be better off without the EU! rgds Swampy ninging for a free red dragon It's not so much Independence, it's the power to set our own laws, etc. Personally, I'm not in favour of full independence from any of the home nations, we'd all be weaker if one was to leave, England included. You asked could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? Well, I'll ask could England support itself without the Celtic home nations? Possibly, but they'd be all the weaker for it, and could find itself marginalised on the world stage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,325 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) I think the union should stay together and become a satellite state of the peoples republic of china. At least the government will shoot the anti protesters all hail china Edited November 18, 2009 by mushroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? Without a doubt make, and if we we're struggling that's where the benefit of EU membership comes in. I'm not a huge fan of the EU, but we pay enough in to it, and that's what it's there for. Sounds like a bit of a misnoma then. Independence? Independent of what? Substitute Westminster with Brussels. Concessions are always made, so all that money Westminster is currently paying to the EU will/should have to come from Cardiff?! I reckon you'd be better off without the EU! rgds Swampy ninging for a free red dragon It's not so much Independence, it's the power to set our own laws, etc. Personally, I'm not in favour of full independence from any of the home nations, we'd all be weaker if one was to leave, England included. You asked could Wales, Scotland and Ireland support themselves? Well, I'll ask could England support itself without the Celtic home nations? Possibly, but they'd be all the weaker for it, and could find itself marginalised on the world stage. First point. The English Parliament would be comprised of people representing seats within England. Next, I agree with Maltenby (Shock! Horror! Is this a world first?)I am not advocating full independence for any of the principalities. It just plain would not work. The biggest multi-national companies have turnovers greater than the GDP of most nations. You need a big political group to deal with them and that means you need a Federal system to co-ordinate the individual members. However, power must always be grudgingly handed UP to the overall organisation. I suspect that people in this country fail to realise that this is how the USA works, at least in principle. The states make their own local laws, their own local tax system and generally have a considerable level of autonomy. The Federal Government's powers over the states are surprisingly limited. I would like to see a Federal Europe run along those lines. Ric Edited November 18, 2009 by RicW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dafydd thomas 13 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 just a quick reply to swampys first post saying no doubt the welsh will stil have a vote on english policy. the english have been making policies for wales for many a year, and this current assembly weve got has no real power the power is still in westminster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ade33uk 86 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Lets pay the politicians for the work they do for their home nation parliment , then the British parliment and then the european parliment . they work hard enough and deserve every penny they can get . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dosser 52 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 The dismantling of our soverign nation continues, the EU know that they are going to have trouble with the British, and the English in particular. Another case of divide and conquer imo. All this talk of transfering power from westminster surprises me, seeing as how westminster now mostly just rubber stamps directives from Brussels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The dismantling of our soverign nation continues, the EU know that they are going to have trouble with the British, and the English in particular. Another case of divide and conquer imo. All this talk of transfering power from westminster surprises me, seeing as how westminster now mostly just rubber stamps directives from Brussels. Fair point! rgds Swampy Englishman ninging at work since 08:30 19-11-09 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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