410 side hammer

[digger251 1]

can anyone help me i am new to shooting and i have been offered a folding side hammer 410 shot gun i only want it for ferreting but sum told me dont bother wid it sum told me to go for it any help greatful o by the way make unknown but theres an image of the same gun on gun star page 5 of shotgun section thanks

[danebrewer10 6]

can anyone help me i am new to shooting and i have been offered a folding side hammer 410 shot gun i only want it for ferreting but sum told me dont bother wid it sum told me to go for it any help greatful o by the way make unknown but theres an image of the same gun on gun star page 5 of shotgun section thanks

 

dunno mate, personally i'd steer away fro it (personally) i don't think the .410 is much cop, i'd go for a second hand gun in 20 or 12 bore that'll be much more useful if you want to go after larger quarry, if the ranges are close, choose light cartridges and open chokes, or you could even buy a rifled choke to spread the pattern even faster, but I'd liik into brands like lanber, bettinsoli, lincoln, and possibly baikal, the latter being rough and ready but i hear they go on for ever....

[SportingShooter 0]

can anyone help me i am new to shooting and i have been offered a folding side hammer 410 shot gun i only want it for ferreting but sum told me dont bother wid it sum told me to go for it any help greatful o by the way make unknown but theres an image of the same gun on gun star page 5 of shotgun section thanks

For ferreting, the .410 would be slightly to your disadvantage if you are new to shooting. You have to be very precise as to where you aim and the choke/cartridge combinations are limited due to the relatively small number of shot sizes available in .410 at any one time. I like the .410 always have and its a great gun, but in my opinion, a 12 bore would be far more advantageous in your early shooting career as it will build you confidence. An O/U 12bore can be found relatively cheaply, a few hundred quid for a decent one.

 

can anyone help me i am new to shooting and i have been offered a folding side hammer 410 shot gun i only want it for ferreting but sum told me dont bother wid it sum told me to go for it any help greatful o by the way make unknown but theres an image of the same gun on gun star page 5 of shotgun section thanks

 

dunno mate, personally i'd steer away fro it (personally) i don't think the .410 is much cop, i'd go for a second hand gun in 20 or 12 bore that'll be much more useful if you want to go after larger quarry, if the ranges are close, choose light cartridges and open chokes, or you could even buy a rifled choke to spread the pattern even faster, but I'd liik into brands like lanber, bettinsoli, lincoln, and possibly baikal, the latter being rough and ready but i hear they go on for ever....

 

The .410 is perfect in some circumstances, some even use it in place of a 12. I know a few on here that do and rate it with the same killing ability in the right hands. It comes down to practice and situation. Pointless blasting a cage trapped fox with a 12 bore, .410 is much more adequate. Also pointless introducing a 10 year old to a 12 bore as it will kick and put them off.

 

As for a rifled choke, the fact of the matter is that rifling in a shotgun, when firing shot will produce an O ring pattern with very large gaps in the centre of the pattern and completely non-conducive to effective killing.

 

Far better with between 1/4 and 1/2 choke smoothbored.

[danebrewer10 6]

 

As for a rifled choke, the fact of the matter is that rifling in a shotgun, when firing shot will produce an O ring pattern with very large gaps in the centre of the pattern and completely non-conducive to effective killing.

 

 

 

oh I just see that beretta market one of their ultralight guns with a rifled bottom barrel for this purpose, I don't really know much about the effect that would have on the shot pattern....

 

and yes the .410 can be great in certain circumstances, much like an air rifle it's a brilliant tool id used within it's remit.... but perhaps a gun with multichokes migh also be a good idea owing to how dense some of the cover can be and how short the range sometimes?

[SportingShooter 0]

As for a rifled choke, the fact of the matter is that rifling in a shotgun, when firing shot will produce an O ring pattern with very large gaps in the centre of the pattern and completely non-conducive to effective killing.

 

 

 

oh I just see that beretta market one of their ultralight guns with a rifled bottom barrel for this purpose, I don't really know much about the effect that would have on the shot pattern....

 

and yes the .410 can be great in certain circumstances, much like an air rifle it's a brilliant tool id used within it's remit.... but perhaps a gun with multichokes migh also be a good idea owing to how dense some of the cover can be and how short the range sometimes?

 

They more than likely released it for use with slugs in Europe for Boar and such like, thats what they are normally used for.

 

Choke isn't about range really, its how you put the required amount of pellets in your target at a certain range. Short range targets will have more than the required pellets in them regardless of choke as the pattern wont open to its fullest degree until around 30-32 yards (from what I find from patterning)

 

Under 15 yards and the bird/rabbit will be ruined if hit square on with any choke, over that the pattern is open enough to leave you with something that can go in the pot generally.

 

But then, you could always leave it go further.

[digger251 1]

this is the gun

[SportingShooter 0]

Lovely looking gun too. I'd buy it for pure pleasure of having it, but then I suppose I could be considered eccentric!

[digger251 1]

Lovely looking gun too. I'd buy it for pure pleasure of having it, but then I suppose I could be considered eccentric!

its on gunstar for 250 my mate got same gun ex cond for age 75 quid but as i said are side hammers any good ps thanks for the help

Edited November 16, 2009 by digger251

[SportingShooter 0]

Don't know what you mean by side hammer mate, side lever yes, thats what the gun is above.

 

Most guns of that age were sidelevers, made in Belgium, between around 1924 and 1939.

[digger251 1]

Don't know what you mean by side hammer mate, side lever yes, thats what the gun is above.

 

Most guns of that age were sidelevers, made in Belgium, between around 1924 and 1939.

ha ha told you i was new i soon lern

[jackinbox99 41]

250 is a bit steep, i doubt if anyone would pay that for them. Theres loads of those folding .410 poacher guns like that about. Ive seen them before for 35quid upwards. Most of them seem to be around the 100quid mark.

 

As the other guy on here said, for what you want, id prob go for a cheap o/u 12bore. You can get them for 100->150quid and would come in handy for a lot of things.

 

SportingShooter is spot on with his comments on the .410.

[digger251 1]

250 is a bit steep, i doubt if anyone would pay that for them. Theres loads of those folding .410 poacher guns like that about. Ive seen them before for 35quid upwards. Most of them seem to be around the 100quid mark.

 

As the other guy on here said, for what you want, id prob go for a cheap o/u 12bore. You can get them for 100->150quid and would come in handy for a lot of things.

 

SportingShooter is spot on with his comments on the .410.

the gun is 250 on gunstar site the 1 i can by is of my mate 75 quid yet again most greatfull to you all for your help

[watchman 256]

250 is a bit steep, i doubt if anyone would pay that for them. Theres loads of those folding .410 poacher guns like that about. Ive seen them before for 35quid upwards. Most of them seem to be around the 100quid mark.

 

As the other guy on here said, for what you want, id prob go for a cheap o/u 12bore. You can get them for 100->150quid and would come in handy for a lot of things.

 

SportingShooter is spot on with his comments on the .410.

the gun is 250 on gunstar site the 1 i can by is of my mate 75 quid yet again most greatfull to you all for your help

if you dont want it tell your mate ill have it ,if its reasonable distance for me to travel

[digger251 1]

250 is a bit steep, i doubt if anyone would pay that for them. Theres loads of those folding .410 poacher guns like that about. Ive seen them before for 35quid upwards. Most of them seem to be around the 100quid mark.

 

As the other guy on here said, for what you want, id prob go for a cheap o/u 12bore. You can get them for 100->150quid and would come in handy for a lot of things.

 

SportingShooter is spot on with his comments on the .410.

the gun is 250 on gunstar site the 1 i can by is of my mate 75 quid yet again most greatfull to you all for your help

if you dont want it tell your mate ill have it ,if its reasonable distance for me to travel

will do mate i let u know if i buy it by the weekend

[watchman 256]

250 is a bit steep, i doubt if anyone would pay that for them. Theres loads of those folding .410 poacher guns like that about. Ive seen them before for 35quid upwards. Most of them seem to be around the 100quid mark.

 

As the other guy on here said, for what you want, id prob go for a cheap o/u 12bore. You can get them for 100->150quid and would come in handy for a lot of things.

 

SportingShooter is spot on with his comments on the .410.

the gun is 250 on gunstar site the 1 i can by is of my mate 75 quid yet again most greatfull to you all for your help

if you dont want it tell your mate ill have it ,if its reasonable distance for me to travel

will do mate i let u know if i buy it by the weekend

no worries mate,nice little bit of kit to own,my old man got one but wont part with it for love nor money