Reasons for breeding

[nelson 0]

I agree with Dillon about using a good hard dog,why take the chance of pupping some kak ?what i do think is important is trying to find a reasonable match of type in your mating, ie,if you mate a 12" fine boned bitch to a 15" heavy dog what are you going to get out of it ?...........neither do i.

 

By matching your working bitch to a similar or better suited dog then you increase the chance of pupping something decent. I don't think these line bred dogs are like they are by accident do you.

 

I think it was David Harcombe who stated,worker to worker and never breed from a dog that cannot kill a fox.

 

In a lot of ways i agree but some people don't need their terrier to be that hard,some people insist on it,thats there choice.Working ability should be to the fore though and that should be without question.

[phil wright 2]

i hope this dosent turn into another hard vs bayer debate.

 

steve109 ive had rubbish dogs and ive had a couple of pretty good ones.are you saying i did something different to the crap ones and thats why they turned out that way?

[Printer 34]

Personally I would only breed if I thought it was beneficial towards the continuation and improvement of a family or strain, if that was not my concern then I would not even contemplate breeding.

 

Breeding to me should be about improvement, perfect terriers as regards shape and make have been bred by the score, and if it was only a matter of shape I’m certain that terriers have been produced that we shall never improve upon, but what we can improve upon, I believe, is the natural instinct and working ability.

 

If we can’t breed something better than the dogs of 20 – 30 years ago, then we should, admit as breeders, we have failed.

 

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[nelson 0]

Thing is though,i'm not a breeder and i bet most people on here aren't either.Talking of improving on what was about 30 years ago isn't really the aim.The fox hasn't changed nor the rat or whatever you may pursue.

 

I only want to breed out of my bitch for a pup for myself,i aren't to bothered about the rest.

[steve109 43]

i hope this dosent turn into another hard vs bayer debate.

 

steve109 ive had rubbish dogs and ive had a couple of pretty good ones.are you saying i did something different to the crap ones and thats why they turned out that way?

every cart as a couple of bad apples.... but as pups most of them look the same. my saukix would take 3 whittlesey hares in january yet litter sisters couldent kill a hare in a phone box.....

[Kane 2]

Just been re-reading last months EDRD and a phrase in there from Mr. Harcombe stuck out. He mentioned that someone said that a dog should be bred off because of it's head.....just wondering what the criteria for all you lads and lasses are when you think about breeding off your terriers?

 

What attributes do you look for when it comes to breeding and conversely what attributes would you see and decide that they were a definite block on breeding from your stock?

 

Breed from dogs that get the job done ........from parents,grandparents etc that got the job done.

Sounds so simple. :11:

[Guest Dillon]

dillon why wouldnt you use a dog that couldnt consistently kill foxes?

 

 

As in a dog I mean the sire, I don't believe it is worth putting anything less mediocre into a bitch than a consistent fox killing stud dog, or at the very least one that is very capable of doing so and has done enough to be merited.

 

i assume you are talking about patts etc, what about dogs that are traditionally bayers? russells for example?

 

 

Not neccesarily Patts mate, some russels are WELL capable of killing a fox, certainly some of the cross bred stuff, some Patts are bayers too.

Dogs that kill foxes regular are IMO more often than not self entered, I prefer to use a stud dog that has this sort of drive, bang on focused at work and nothing else.

 

I suppose with a traditional type bayer (wimp) if you wanted to keep the tradition going then line the bitch to the best bayer around.

[Guest Jane Russell]

I suppose with a traditional type bayer (wimp) if you wanted to keep the tradition going then line the bitch to the best bayer around.

That's a bit like defining the only "real man's job" as flying jet fighters and saying that designing the jets, putting them together and maintaining them is for wimps. You need them all. There's very few (if any) people these days who can build, maintain and fly a fighter and still score maximum hits on the enemy.

[thurso jack 3]

both vaild points chef and jane russell, i guess its horses for courses though as if we all were of the same opinion, then it would be pretty boring as we would have nothing to argue over, and wed all agree that hard dogs arent stupid feckers!

 

last comment tongue in cheeck as im sure dillions was

Edited September 9, 2006 by thurso jack

[thurso jack 3]

Agreed chef, its good this has all been taken in the correct manner and not gone down the line of a slagging match

 

i did spell your name correctly then went back and edited it as a further subtle wee dig.

 

id say your more of a Anthony Worral Thompson :whistle:

[valerio 32]

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Edited July 13, 2009 by valerio

[pockets 0]

How can a terrier be discribed as hard if they only bays????

 

Explain please your statement am confused!

[Guest grubygrafter]

I think there are different tipe of bayers I think some bayers can be descrined as "hard" and due to good luck the dog I've now is one of this tipe. when he found his quarry he will make a short contact then if it doesnt bolt he will settle down baing in the quarry's face allways ready to have a go if needed.A dog that use his brain and dont get injured too much but is well capable of going the hard way.I think a dog of this type is well worth breeding.

 

that is the type of dog i like. i have one . and he will kill foxes also. i consider him hard.but he aint stupid

and most times he is ready to go the following week.

 

why do folk constantly bum up over hard terriers. i genuinly dont see there benifits outweighing there downsides. lets face it a hard terrier is more limited than a bayer

[Guest Dillon]

 

I suppose with a traditional type bayer (wimp) if you wanted to keep the tradition going then line the bitch to the best bayer around.

That's a bit like defining the only "real man's job" as flying jet fighters and saying that designing the jets, putting them together and maintaining them is for wimps. You need them all. There's very few (if any) people these days who can build, maintain and fly a fighter and still score maximum hits on the enemy.

 

 

both vaild points chef and jane russell, i guess its horses for courses though as if we all were of the same opinion, then it would be pretty boring as we would have nothing to argue over, and wed all agree that hard dogs arent stupid feckers!

 

last comment tongue in cheeck as im sure dillions was

 

 

 

Yes mate Tongue in cheek

 

Jayne, how much digging do you do in an average season, and to what types of dogs, ?

[Guest Jane Russell]

As little as possible. I'm very lazy I don't have any dogs at the moment but I am hoping to get a JRT soon.

 

Jane