Reasons for breeding

[Stabs 3]

Just been re-reading last months EDRD and a phrase in there from Mr. Harcombe stuck out. He mentioned that someone said that a dog should be bred off because of it's head.....just wondering what the criteria for all you lads and lasses are when you think about breeding off your terriers?

 

What attributes do you look for when it comes to breeding and conversely what attributes would you see and decide that they were a definite block on breeding from your stock?

[Pumper dog 0]

Well everyones different mate, I'm sure this post will demonstarte that but I think a lot of the answers will be the same, me personally

Temprement- very important to me has to get on with all the other dogs

nose- got to be able to find in a big spot

sense- the sort of thing like when a lurcher 'runs cunning' a good dog has to be able to know whats its working and devlope its own technique(hard to explain)

Most importantly the prespective parents must have been tried and tested over a good few seasons and proven themselves time and again

confirmation is last on my list, i don;t care what they look like to a certain extent but they have to be of a confirmation that allows them to have a trouble free life, and also agile enough/the right shape to get places!

 

Just some of my thoughts, but when trying to pick a future stud etc, everyone should always ask what they lack in their bitch be it the smallest of things and try an find a dog which has it and if they don;t lack anything a want a dog that does the same then bobs your uncle but I always like to use a dog thats a little bit 'gamer' than the bitch!

[jessdale 416]

good post pumper dog but all the things you mention ie temperament,nose etc etc the dog will have if its already worked a few seasons.A dog that cannot get due to size will not have a few seasons of digging work under it`s belt!.If one is breeding for earth work a bit of research will not go amiss,mating a good bitch to a good dog does not always produce good pups.I know you cannot guarantee that a pup will enter, but if the dog and bitch come from several generations that have proven themselves over many seasons,then you have a far greater chance of sucess than if bred off "one off parents".I have put a couple of pictures of my new very well bred pup on "m-o-o-c-h-e-r-s" web site under "pup at last" thread in the working terrier section.I am a computer cabbage so i cant put them on this site.All the best.jessdale

Edited September 8, 2006 by jessdale

[Guest Dillon]

I wouldn't ever use a dog that couldn't consistently kill fox's,

and both would have to have proved themselves.

 

Nose is obviously up there but to be honest IMO all dogs have a nose some just don't have the drive to use it as they should.

 

Blood is a must, by far lessens the chance of w a n k e r s in the litter.

 

Dillon

[thurso jack 3]

dillon why wouldnt you use a dog that couldnt consistently kill foxes?

[Guest Dillon]

dillon why wouldnt you use a dog that couldnt consistently kill foxes?

 

 

As in a dog I mean the sire, I don't believe it is worth putting anything less mediocre into a bitch than a consistent fox killing stud dog, or at the very least one that is very capable of doing so and has done enough to be merited.

[Guest Jane Russell]

I think it entirely depends what you want. So there are no hard and fast rules; just personal preference.

 

Well one hard and fast rule, for me at any rate, good temperament. Unpredictability isn't a quality I like.

 

Jane

Edited September 8, 2006 by Jane Russell

[Guest Dillon]

I think it entirely depends what you want. So there are no hard and fast rules; just personal preference.

 

Well one hard and fast rule, for me at any rate, good temperament. Unpredictability isn't a quality I like.

 

Jane

 

 

Well it does depend on what you want Jane, there are no hard and fast rules for sporting terriers, digging dogs I think a little different IMO I would breed off a dog with a bad temperament if he had the other qualities I was looking for.

[steve109 43]

i think your missing somthing here breeding is only half the apple what you do after makes it full. ive got parsons jrt [game] none of imediate breeding have ever worked yet my bitches will do anything retrieve when im shooting,flush game for my hawks,find anything even mr charles they'll stay and also lamp believe it or not.and yet when at home there constantly being pulled around by my 2yr old daughter. so in my opinion you can train almost any dog [within reason] to do what you want . so any dog with a exellent temperment is a good base for breeding. keep your hard braindead dogs who needs them. this is not a dispute its an opinion............

[fellman 116]

steve i am not sure if what you are tryign to say is what you have said ..............

there are many things about a dog/nitch that must be right before you breed from them ............and sound temprement in a little down my list .................

please list what qualities IN order your talking about cheers yis fellman

[thurso jack 3]

dillon why wouldnt you use a dog that couldnt consistently kill foxes?

 

 

As in a dog I mean the sire, I don't believe it is worth putting anything less mediocre into a bitch than a consistent fox killing stud dog, or at the very least one that is very capable of doing so and has done enough to be merited.

 

i assume you are talking about patts etc, what about dogs that are traditionally bayers? russells for example?

[steve109 43]

id start with one of the most important things in a dog which in my opinion is a sound temperment i can 100% trust my terriers,bulldogs and my prize staff in the house with my 2yr old daughter pulling them about by the ears and tail. and yet take the terriers and staff out hunting and there like demons posessed [ especially when charles is wounded with the 204cf] . so you see a puka temperment is a must....... oh and by the way anyone want to use one of the top staffs [show] in the country for stud pm me........steve.

 

i think your missing somthing here breeding is only half the apple what you do after makes it full. ive got parsons jrt [game] none of imediate breeding have ever worked yet my bitches will do anything retrieve when im shooting,flush game for my hawks,find anything even mr charles they'll stay and also lamp believe it or not.and yet when at home there constantly being pulled around by my 2yr old daughter. so in my opinion you can train almost any dog [within reason] to do what you want . so any dog with a exellent temperment is a good base for breeding. keep your hard braindead dogs who needs them. this is not a dispute its an opinion............

steve i am not sure if what you are tryign to say is what you have said ..............

there are many things about a dog/nitch that must be right before you breed from them ............and sound temprement in a little down my list .................

please list what qualities IN order your talking about cheers yis fellman

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[Guest Jane Russell]

I'd go with good temperament too. Obviously you need a bit more but I'd never sacrifice honesty in a dog.

[steve109 43]

I'd go with good temperament too. Obviously you need a bit more but I'd never sacrifice honesty in a dog.

hi jane... your right and wrong. a honest dog with a good temperment is all you need. afterhall a dog in the field is only as good as its owner. why do you think we get these so called crap dogs [if they exsist at all] its only down bad ownership and sam dingles with braindead muts.....

[Guest Jane Russell]

I'd go with good temperament too. Obviously you need a bit more but I'd never sacrifice honesty in a dog.

hi jane... your right and wrong. a honest dog with a good temperment is all you need. afterhall a dog in the field is only as good as its owner. why do you think we get these so called crap dogs [if they exsist at all] its only down bad ownership and sam dingles with braindead muts.....

 

ok. I'll rephrase it

 

An honest dog with a good temperment is the foundation but if there are dogs/bitches that have those good temperaments and honesty and which also have a good proven record, then it would seem to make sense to want/need those dogs/bitches in the breeding programme.

 

I agree about "bad" owners spoiling dogs. When I was growing up I saw the rich kids' fathers buying them young showy ponies that won everything for a season until the pony realised that the child couldn't ride and then they started throwing the kids and really nice ponies were ruined. If people don't know what they are doing with animals, a lot of problems occur be it ponies, dogs -- or kids!

 

Jane

Edited September 8, 2006 by Jane Russell