first crosses and reverse crosses

[merle24 61]

Interesting topic , i own a reverse threequarter fell collie greyhound bitch called Kim, Lamperjohn off this site and several other lads off here have seen her run, she isn,t a speed merchant but she ain,t slow even at 8 years of age, she has had 108 hares upto date , and not all on the lamp, she has good pace, strength, agility, and bags of stamina, her biggesthaul of hares in one night stands at 9 from 15 slips, her biggest tally on the lamp stands at 28 rabbits and 3 hares, she is still retreiving hares at 8 years of age, she isn,t your typical reverse three quarter, she stands at just under 21 inches is very racey, and very lightly built, i have a merle 9/16,s fell collie, 7/16,s greyhound out of her, she is also small and racey in statue, and has all the attributes of her mother, i also have a young dog pup who is 4 months old out of my old bitch, to a genuine first cross whippet greyhound. In my opinion if you the right collies i.e. leggy smooth coated Nap types, or Fell collie types that are leggy and racey in statue , you stand a good chance in producing decent offsprings, but sadly to many people go down the wrong road and are breeding off substandard collies and are producing second rate dogs,theres little or no wastage if you use the right dogs. regards collie john.

 

Sounds like the dog has thrown more to the longdog blood than the herding side of things, the way you describes it sounds more like a first cross. so iam not surprised it can catch a few. I would be interested to see the land on which this dog has caught 9 hares in one night, were they boxed in by stone walls by any chance ? and by night i take it you mean lamping, not being funny mate but keep it real eh, lamping hares aint cricket and nothing to brag about, especilly over rough hilly stoned wall ground, like in lancashire.

Edited November 16, 2009 by merle24

[LamperJohn 12]

Interesting topic , i own a reverse threequarter fell collie greyhound bitch called Kim, Lamperjohn off this site and several other lads off here have seen her run, she isn,t a speed merchant but she ain,t slow even at 8 years of age, she has had 108 hares upto date , and not all on the lamp, she has good pace, strength, agility, and bags of stamina, her biggesthaul of hares in one night stands at 9 from 15 slips, her biggest tally on the lamp stands at 28 rabbits and 3 hares, she is still retreiving hares at 8 years of age, she isn,t your typical reverse three quarter, she stands at just under 21 inches is very racey, and very lightly built, i have a merle 9/16,s fell collie, 7/16,s greyhound out of her, she is also small and racey in statue, and has all the attributes of her mother, i also have a young dog pup who is 4 months old out of my old bitch, to a genuine first cross whippet greyhound. In my opinion if you the right collies i.e. leggy smooth coated Nap types, or Fell collie types that are leggy and racey in statue , you stand a good chance in producing decent offsprings, but sadly to many people go down the wrong road and are breeding off substandard collies and are producing second rate dogs,theres little or no wastage if you use the right dogs. regards collie john.

 

Sounds like the dog has thrown more to the longdog blood than the herding side of things, the way you describes it sounds more like a first cross. so iam not surprised it can catch a few. I would be interested to see the land on which this dog has caught 9 hares in one night, were they boxed in by stone walls by any chance ? and by night i take it you mean lamping, not being funny mate but keep it real eh, lamping hares aint cricket and nothing to brag about.

merle24 believe me kim can run were we live theres not much rabbits about but plenty of big ones as for ground its mostly mosses if your dogs not got speed stamina pace and gears you will not catch theres no fences for easy catches its fast tough ground regards lamperjohn

[colliejohn 840]

You always get one, iv,e ran my dogs all over the country from Scotland to Lands end, iv,e had hares in several counties Lancashire, Yorkshire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, all to name a few, and let me tell you pal not all stone wall fields, my lamping pal, LamperJohn, off here, will tell you hares locally are very hard to catch, being big flat drill fields, with no fences of stone walls just big open fields with field ditches in that lead to wooded copses, my dog ain,t just a point and aim type of dog, she has a decent nose on her, and she finds her own stuff in the day, off which she has had several hares, my type maybe not be your type, but don,t knock what you don,t know. regards collie john.

[merle24 61]

You always get one, iv,e ran my dogs all over the country from Scotland to Lands end, iv,e had hares in several counties Lancashire, Yorkshire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, all to name a few, and let me tell you pal not all stone wall fields, my lamping pal, LamperJohn, off here, will tell you hares locally are very hard to catch, being big flat drill fields, with no fences of stone walls just big open fields with field ditches in that lead to wooded copses, my dog ain,t just a point and aim type of dog, she has a decent nose on her, and she finds her own stuff in the day, off which she has had several hares, my type maybe not be your type, but don,t knock what you don,t know. regards collie john.

 

Oh dear know ive heard it all a reverse 3/4 cross doing hares north to south, feild and fen, get real, youre talking about lamped hares mate, were they leverets or milky dows

[jacob 28]

have you got any pics of your bitch you can put up john?

[colliejohn 840]

It,s a decent post this is, but like many other post you always get one who wishes to give negative sarcastic comments, if youv,e nowt proper to say then don,t bother. regards collie john.

[colliejohn 840]

Jacob i will try and get some up for you pal. regards collie john.

[jacob 28]

o.k mate

[merle24 61]

It,s a decent post this is, but like many other post you always get one who wishes to give negative sarcastic comments, if youv,e nowt proper to say then don,t bother. regards collie john.

 

Iam not the one saying silly things about a reverse 3/4 bred dog mate, such a dog would not be able to come to terms with a FIT WINTER HARE in the day or even one that runs well on the lamp as some do, you say you have loads of hares near you and i would put money on it that youre claims are out of season on rough ground lamping half grown hares, i would like to see pics of this super reverse 3/4 bred dog. not sacrcasim mate just keeping it real. atb.

[whin 463]

merle i like the three qaurter revers as they run in reverse lol dont doubt john as he emailed me and sounds agenuine guy ,about his dogs he even has pics of my dogs from 15 years ago in the old earth dog running dog he no one horse pony , i wouldnt bred a three qurter reverse but saw good strong qaulity halfcross got pics here catching 24 rabbs and two hares on a shingle waste ground near alburgh in suffolk now abird reserve but in the early ninties and even now tons of hares and rabbs but hard accses and not afence in site just rspb wardens lol

[merle24 61]

merle i like the three qaurter revers as they run in reverse lol dont doubt john as he emailed me and sounds agenuine guy ,about his dogs he even has pics of my dogs from 15 years ago in the old earth dog running dog he no one horse pony , i wouldnt bred a three qurter reverse but saw good strong qaulity halfcross got pics here catching 24 rabbs and two hares on a shingle waste ground near alburgh in suffolk now abird reserve but in the early ninties and even now tons of hares and rabbs but hard accses and not afence in site just rspb wardens lol

 

No disrespect to the guy or his dog, but i just find it hard to beleave the reverse cross come to terms with proper winter hares, even half crosses (collie/grey etc) will be hard pushed to do so but will still catch the odd hare that makes a silly mistake or is a nieve young un, lamping them increases the odds as there far easier in general to catch on the lamp but once theyve been ran a few times on the lamp hares zoom just like in the day even more so in some cases.

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

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Edited April 8, 2010 by cúagusgiorraí

[coco 261]

pics of my lurchers line bred over 30 years

 

 

 

 

 

 

[James Doyle 59]

i have a strong heavy built lurcher NEVER injured quite speedy and good rabbit dog has caught a few long ears aswell!!!!!!

 

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

pics of my lurchers line bred over 30 years

 

Very fine dogs!

that land there they are hunting on, I can so relate to! It could be only just behind my house. the best sort of land to hunt on in my opinion