Rainmaker 7 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 The police would not investigate this matter,(not the police's remit)It's clearly the RSPCA's job to do so. I missed that comment!! I'm afraid a criminal offence committed under any animal related legislation is very much the police's problem, regardless of how many of them like to fob off the responsibility to a CIVILIAN agency! That's why, funnily enough, if you're caught poaching, badger baiting, dog fighting or anything else naughty involving animals (including neglect), it's the police who investigate, raid and arrest you. NOT the arsepca. A quick google for "Wildlife Crime Unit" and "animal crime police" will show you that the police quite firmly realise it's their job! Where on earth did you get such a silly idea from? It's the arsepca's "job" to raise funds and carry out the stated objectives of their CHARITY. There is no basis in law for it and you or I would be quite free to set up an identical charity tomorrow and you'd have the exact same legal powers, duties and responsibilities. That is, NONE. Warrants would not be left out in a middle of a field. They should be handed to a person, household member, or in a room for the occupier to see as and when. No need to ask Gonetoearth. no need to ask........... Exactly. No warrant = no police involvement = illegal taking of the property (horses) by the CIVILIANS at the arsepca CHARITY. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 THE CHARITY STATUS OF THE RSPCA . SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED they were formed as a charity to help animals in distress and prolong life. And were possible treated and save the lives of animals, since the late 70's they have been infiltrated by LACS, soon after they changed there policy on field sports becoming anti, they have progressively changed from a neutral to actively taking hunts etc to court and loosing thousands and thousand of pounds of well meaning peoples hard earned cash , these gave there money for all the right reasons not fot it to be used in court cases and squandered by a pro lacs organization or to spend money searching for terriers and lurcher's and other working breeds who they openly target , whilst putting down healthy animals witch have been handed to them in good faith , not to mention the lies and avoidance of the truth over recent cases golden eagles and police dog hung, and left in cars , the rspca is a cover for lacs nothing more nothing less , the police let them carry on because the have not the man power or the funds to carry out the reports of cruelty contact the police they Will divert you to the rspca , the crave more power they will get it if left unchecked , read and digest rainmakers attachment stand up to these misfits who have hijacked a well meaning charity that used to have the support of many field sport supporters , they will target game rearing as sure as eggs are eggs they have know one to answer to but them selves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaker 7 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 they have know one to answer to but them selves Frightening, isn't it? The barstewards have no legal check, no independent watchdog... If the police want to prosecute you they have to go through an independent (from the police at least) body called the CPS. Everyone knows that. But what checks are in place for the arsepca? They sure as hell don't have to report to anyone or carry out any checks before they mount their malicious press-seeking prosecutions while ignoring REAL animal cruelty and suffering. How anti-Halal is the arsepca? I can't remember getting a leaflet through my door on the matter from them... I can tell you one thing: The arsepca LOVE HUNTING! Donation hunting that is... Artic, it's not for me to doubt your integrity or your intentions. But despite overwhelming proof to the contrary, you don't half seem to still keep on pushing the idea that the arsepca have powers and legal abilities that they simply don't. Bunch of wankers they are, nothing more or less. Oh and I'm not being particularly facetious by saying arsepca all the time... Well OK I am... ... but they have recently decided that the five letter acronym for their full name is a copyrighted object and are aggressively pursuing anyone who uses it. I wonder how many old ladies they'll sue for copyright infringement for using the term R***A in their wills, leaving them all their cash? Fecking NONE. Doesn't stop them suing the arse off the likes of us though; normal honest folk who enjoy country sports. So there you have it - remind every old biddy you see that the arsepca deem it contrary to law to use the five letter acronym R***A. Tell them not to put them in their wills lest they be sued.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaker 7 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Six guests reading this thread? We HAVE piqued some interest lol...Hello anti wankers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flint67 2 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 firstly , i hope you get your horses back. Secondly ,EVERYONE who has lurchers terriers horses or gamefowl should have clive rees and barry peachey s numbers in their mobile phone. These guys both know what they are doing ,are the very best , and are both absolutely hated . . .by the rspc f ing a. Thirdly , and i know everyone on here means well , but every time there is a question of law on here , there are dozens of different opinions . . . . I sent pm s to 2mods a couple of weeks ago pointing this out , it is frightening the lack of knowledge of the law and the confusion its creating. I reccomended a legal issue forum where each thread is a legal statement , well researched and LOCKED so there can be no mistakes. The non power of the rspc f ing a was 1 topic that i had seen worrying statements about on here , along with 10 versions of who can and cant shoot dogs and why , people swearing blind you can be convicted of a crime when the only evidence against you was a post on the internet , advice to run off and leave your dogs to ground coz "theyll be put down anyway" . . (see the blue light put your spade down ring clive and then see if any dogs are put down before a conviction . .) even people on here arguing if a wallaby is a mammal and covered by the act. . Im sorry to hijack your thread mate and i hope clive has sorted things for you , im sure if the facts are as you say it wont be 5or 10grand coming out of your pocket, it will be another checque those horse thieves have to write to c.rees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 firstly , i hope you get your horses back. Secondly ,EVERYONE who has lurchers terriers horses or gamefowl should have clive rees and barry peachey s numbers in their mobile phone. These guys both know what they are doing ,are the very best , and are both absolutely hated . . .by the rspc f ing a. Thirdly , and i know everyone on here means well , but every time there is a question of law on here , there are dozens of different opinions . . . . I sent pm s to 2mods a couple of weeks ago pointing this out , it is frightening the lack of knowledge of the law and the confusion its creating. I reccomended a legal issue forum where each thread is a legal statement , well researched and LOCKED so there can be no mistakes. The non power of the rspc f ing a was 1 topic that i had seen worrying statements about on here , along with 10 versions of who can and cant shoot dogs and why , people swearing blind you can be convicted of a crime when the only evidence against you was a post on the internet , advice to run off and leave your dogs to ground coz "theyll be put down anyway" . . (see the blue light put your spade down ring clive and then see if any dogs are put down before a conviction . .) even people on here arguing if a wallaby is a mammal and covered by the act. . Im sorry to hijack your thread mate and i hope clive has sorted things for you , im sure if the facts are as you say it wont be 5or 10grand coming out of your pocket, it will be another checque those horse thieves have to write to c.rees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 its a shame horse theft isnt still punishable by hanging, it would be lovely to see all those rspca muppets hanging from a rope , i bet you d get a good turnout to watch and cheer it on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 The police would not investigate this matter,(not the police's remit)It's clearly the RSPCA's job to do so. I missed that comment!! I'm afraid a criminal offence committed under any animal related legislation is very much the police's problem, regardless of how many of them like to fob off the responsibility to a CIVILIAN agency! That's why, funnily enough, if you're caught poaching, badger baiting, dog fighting or anything else naughty involving animals (including neglect), it's the police who investigate, raid and arrest you. NOT the arsepca. A quick google for "Wildlife Crime Unit" and "animal crime police" will show you that the police quite firmly realise it's their job! Where on earth did you get such a silly idea from? It's the arsepca's "job" to raise funds and carry out the stated objectives of their CHARITY. There is no basis in law for it and you or I would be quite free to set up an identical charity tomorrow and you'd have the exact same legal powers, duties and responsibilities. That is, NONE. Warrants would not be left out in a middle of a field. They should be handed to a person, household member, or in a room for the occupier to see as and when. No need to ask Gonetoearth. no need to ask........... Exactly. No warrant = no police involvement = illegal taking of the property (horses) by the CIVILIANS at the arsepca CHARITY. Oh Rainmaker............ Will you stop using Google,and listen. Please.......... :kiss: The police will support the RSPCA if needed and only if a case is bought to Police attention, or the police come across in the line of duty such an unlawful act,such as neglect, or where a person has been arrested and there are animals at the location and no other person/s to take care of ect..... The police WILL THEN PASS IT ONTO THE RSPCA. The police will not investigate it. If its, lets say shooting swans as an example then yes the police will investigate. Its hard to explain. The RSPCA are not my cup of tea, but i have nothing to hide from them if i was to bump into them, or they bump into me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 The police would not investigate this matter,(not the police's remit)It's clearly the RSPCA's job to do so. I missed that comment!! I'm afraid a criminal offence committed under any animal related legislation is very much the police's problem, regardless of how many of them like to fob off the responsibility to a CIVILIAN agency! That's why, funnily enough, if you're caught poaching, badger baiting, dog fighting or anything else naughty involving animals (including neglect), it's the police who investigate, raid and arrest you. NOT the arsepca. A quick google for "Wildlife Crime Unit" and "animal crime police" will show you that the police quite firmly realise it's their job! Where on earth did you get such a silly idea from? It's the arsepca's "job" to raise funds and carry out the stated objectives of their CHARITY. There is no basis in law for it and you or I would be quite free to set up an identical charity tomorrow and you'd have the exact same legal powers, duties and responsibilities. That is, NONE. Warrants would not be left out in a middle of a field. They should be handed to a person, household member, or in a room for the occupier to see as and when. No need to ask Gonetoearth. no need to ask........... Exactly. No warrant = no police involvement = illegal taking of the property (horses) by the CIVILIANS at the arsepca CHARITY. Oh Rainmaker............ Will you stop using Google,and listen. Please.......... :kiss: The police will support the RSPCA if needed and only if a case is bought to Police attention, or the police come across in the line of duty such an unlawful act,such as neglect, or where a person has been arrested and there are animals at the location and no other person/s to take care of ect..... The police WILL THEN PASS IT ONTO THE RSPCA. The police will not investigate it. If its, lets say shooting swans as an example then yes the police will investigate. Its hard to explain. The RSPCA are not my cup of tea, but i have nothing to hide from them if i was to bump into them, or they bump into me. but you have something to hide if you are pro field sports as the rspca are anti field sports and have issused there intent to help in every way possible to ban shooting and fishing they are a branch of lacs in all but name , there is cruelty out there and yes it needs action taking, but the current masters of the rspsa have lost sight of this , the police have not the time or funds to investergate every day crime , the rspca has become the uniformed branch of lacs , ring them and report a swan with a broken wing and see what happens then ring them about two lads with lurches waliking across a field , your rose colourd glasses might steam up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 The police would not investigate this matter,(not the police's remit)It's clearly the RSPCA's job to do so. I missed that comment!! I'm afraid a criminal offence committed under any animal related legislation is very much the police's problem, regardless of how many of them like to fob off the responsibility to a CIVILIAN agency! That's why, funnily enough, if you're caught poaching, badger baiting, dog fighting or anything else naughty involving animals (including neglect), it's the police who investigate, raid and arrest you. NOT the arsepca. A quick google for "Wildlife Crime Unit" and "animal crime police" will show you that the police quite firmly realise it's their job! Where on earth did you get such a silly idea from? It's the arsepca's "job" to raise funds and carry out the stated objectives of their CHARITY. There is no basis in law for it and you or I would be quite free to set up an identical charity tomorrow and you'd have the exact same legal powers, duties and responsibilities. That is, NONE. Warrants would not be left out in a middle of a field. They should be handed to a person, household member, or in a room for the occupier to see as and when. No need to ask Gonetoearth. no need to ask........... Exactly. No warrant = no police involvement = illegal taking of the property (horses) by the CIVILIANS at the arsepca CHARITY. Oh Rainmaker............ Will you stop using Google,and listen. Please.......... :kiss: The police will support the RSPCA if needed and only if a case is bought to Police attention, or the police come across in the line of duty such an unlawful act,such as neglect, or where a person has been arrested and there are animals at the location and no other person/s to take care of ect..... The police WILL THEN PASS IT ONTO THE RSPCA. The police will not investigate it. If its, lets say shooting swans as an example then yes the police will investigate. Its hard to explain. The RSPCA are not my cup of tea, but i have nothing to hide from them if i was to bump into them, or they bump into me. but you have something to hide if you are pro field sports as the rspca are anti field sports and have issused there intent to help in every way possible to ban shooting and fishing they are a branch of lacs in all but name , there is cruelty out there and yes it needs action taking, but the current masters of the rspsa have lost sight of this , the police have not the time or funds to investergate every day crime , the rspca has become the uniformed branch of lacs , ring them and report a swan with a broken wing and see what happens then ring them about two lads with lurches waliking across a field , your rose colourd glasses might steam up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaker 7 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Oh Rainmaker............ Will you stop using Google,and listen. Please.......... :kiss: OK, the barristers who helped me against the arsepca last time are wrong. I'll listen to you instead. Answer these, please... (1) The arsepca have the existing legal authority ON THEIR OWN to enter private property against and/or without the owners permission. Yes/no? (2) The arsepca have the existing legal authority to seize goods with no police involvement. Yes/no? (3) Or as seems to be the case, you're basically agreeing with me while making out I'm wrong. The arsepca can do nothing unless the POLICE are involved and ASK them to act as their agent. This didn't happen with the OP and that's the whole point! The arsepca can NOT do these things off their own bat. To do so would be unlawful and illegal (my barrister threatened an injunction and to make a complaint of burglary against them when they entered my premises with a view to 'investigating' my 'hunting dogs'... funnily enough they apologised, ran a mile and didn't come back). I might have used Google to quickly make a point on a forum, but the solicitor I quoted from "Google" - actually from the Self Help Group for victims of the arsepca - is head of the academy of experts and funnily enough an...erm...expert. He seems to be saying exactly what I was saying earlier. Its hard to explain. Well I'm not a simpleton. Explain away. Or do you just mean you don't know? You seem to be going to great pains over this when the simple fact is the scum have swiped the lad's horses with no grounds to do so and are currently refusing to play ball in handing them back. OP, did you ring Clive and the SHG yet? Seems a pretty simple way to get things moving, at no cost. Updates please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Oh Rainmaker............ Will you stop using Google,and listen. Please.......... :kiss: OK, the barristers who helped me against the arsepca last time are wrong. I'll listen to you instead. Answer these, please... (1) The arsepca have the existing legal authority ON THEIR OWN to enter private property against and/or without the owners permission. Yes/no? (2) The arsepca have the existing legal authority to seize goods with no police involvement. Yes/no? (3) Or as seems to be the case, you're basically agreeing with me while making out I'm wrong. The arsepca can do nothing unless the POLICE are involved and ASK them to act as their agent. This didn't happen with the OP and that's the whole point! The arsepca can NOT do these things off their own bat. To do so would be unlawful and illegal (my barrister threatened an injunction and to make a complaint of burglary against them when they entered my premises with a view to 'investigating' my 'hunting dogs'... funnily enough they apologised, ran a mile and didn't come back). I might have used Google to quickly make a point on a forum, but the solicitor I quoted from "Google" (actually the Self Help Group for victims of the arsepca (head of the acadamy of experts and funnily enough an...erm...expert) seems to be saying exactly what I was saying earlier. Its hard to explain. Well I'm not a simpleton. Explain away. Or do you just mean you don't know? You seem to be going to great pains over this when the simple fact is the scum have swiped the lad's horses with no grounds to do so and are currently refusing to play ball in handing them back. OP, did you ring Clive and the SHG yet? Seems a pretty simple way to get things moving, at no cost. Updates please. Rainmaker, i'm on your side here. Of course i know what i'm saying otherwise i wouldn't be typing it......... The RSPCA have become more powerful with the police getting involved. It was always going to go that way. Once a court order has been written, signed and sealed then the RSPCA have got all the rights. But in order to do this they must have concrete evidence (a file) to put forward to the police to act on. The phone is ringing............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaker 7 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Rainmaker, i'm on your side here. Of course i know what i'm saying otherwise i wouldn't be typing it......... The RSPCA have become more powerful with the police getting involved. It was always going to go that way. Once a court order has been written, signed and sealed then the RSPCA have got all the rights. But in order to do this they must have concrete evidence (a file) to put forward to the police to act on. The phone is ringing............ I wasn't doubting whose side you were on mate, you just said to trust you and stop using Google. I'm just asking you to clarify by yes/no answers to (1) and (2) above. Warrants from a court are neither here nor there, as the POLICE didn't obtain one or act on it, whether by delegating the subsequent details to the arsepca or not. The OP would certainly have been informed if they had, and he'd have been given due process as a warrant has to be served and followed, not ignored while the arsepca just swipe property and leave notes in a field. Had the police obtained that warrant the OP would have had plenty of legal channels to defend himself and quickly get his property back. As it is, there was no warrant which brings us back to questions (1) and (2) above. Either you assert the arsepca have those legal powers (entry, seizure) or not. I'm saying they do NOT. The only bee in my bonnet was your assertion that I was wrong, when in fact that's not the case. It's hard enough for us fieldsports folks as it is without misinformation as to the arsepca having 'powers' they don't taking root. That's exactly what the b*****ds want! Nothing personal was intended in my stressing of that point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Rainmaker, i'm on your side here. Of course i know what i'm saying otherwise i wouldn't be typing it......... The RSPCA have become more powerful with the police getting involved. It was always going to go that way. Once a court order has been written, signed and sealed then the RSPCA have got all the rights. But in order to do this they must have concrete evidence (a file) to put forward to the police to act on. The phone is ringing............ I wasn't doubting whose side you were on mate, you just said to trust you and stop using Google. I'm just asking you to clarify by yes/no answers to (1) and (2) above. Warrants from a court are neither here nor there, as the POLICE didn't obtain one or act on it, whether by delegating the subsequent details to the arsepca or not. The OP would certainly have been informed if they had, and he'd have been given due process as a warrant has to be served and followed, not ignored while the arsepca just swipe property and leave notes in a field. Had the police obtained that warrant the OP would have had plenty of legal channels to defend himself and quickly get his property back. As it is, there was no warrant which brings us back to questions (1) and (2) above. Either you assert the arsepca have those legal powers (entry, seizure) or not. I'm saying they do NOT. The only bee in my bonnet was your assertion that I was wrong, when in fact that's not the case. It's hard enough for us fieldsports folks as it is without misinformation as to the arsepca having 'powers' they don't taking root. That's exactly what the b*****ds want! Nothing personal was intended in my stressing of that point. Its an RSPCA trick. Thats why they are hated sooooo much...... The horses have been seized, the police will then leave it with the RSPCA to issue the proceedings. The horses which were seized will be examined by a veterinary surgeon who is appointed by the RSPCA and thereafter usually disappear to a safe holding and remain there until the end of the court case (if any) Contact with the RSPCA is crap. They have a national telephone number for regional centres and only messages can be left there. The longer an animal seized by RSPCA remains unexamined by a veterinary surgeon appointed by the prospective defendant, the more difficult it is for the defence to prove the condition of the animal at the time of the alleged offence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Rainmaker, i'm on your side here. Of course i know what i'm saying otherwise i wouldn't be typing it......... The RSPCA have become more powerful with the police getting involved. It was always going to go that way. Once a court order has been written, signed and sealed then the RSPCA have got all the rights. But in order to do this they must have concrete evidence (a file) to put forward to the police to act on. The phone is ringing............ I wasn't doubting whose side you were on mate, you just said to trust you and stop using Google. I'm just asking you to clarify by yes/no answers to (1) and (2) above. Warrants from a court are neither here nor there, as the POLICE didn't obtain one or act on it, whether by delegating the subsequent details to the arsepca or not. The OP would certainly have been informed if they had, and he'd have been given due process as a warrant has to be served and followed, not ignored while the arsepca just swipe property and leave notes in a field. Had the police obtained that warrant the OP would have had plenty of legal channels to defend himself and quickly get his property back. As it is, there was no warrant which brings us back to questions (1) and (2) above. Either you assert the arsepca have those legal powers (entry, seizure) or not. I'm saying they do NOT. The only bee in my bonnet was your assertion that I was wrong, when in fact that's not the case. It's hard enough for us fieldsports folks as it is without misinformation as to the arsepca having 'powers' they don't taking root. That's exactly what the b*****ds want! Nothing personal was intended in my stressing of that point. Its an RSPCA trick. Thats why they are hated sooooo much...... The horses have been seized, the police will then leave it with the RSPCA to issue the proceedings. The horses which were seized will be examined by a veterinary surgeon who is appointed by the RSPCA and thereafter usually disappear to a safe holding and remain there until the end of the court case (if any) Contact with the RSPCA is crap. They have a national telephone number for regional centres and only messages can be left there. The longer an animal seized by RSPCA remains unexamined by a veterinary surgeon appointed by the prospective defendant, the more difficult it is for the defence to prove the condition of the animal at the time of the alleged offence. do you mean like the golden eagle or the thousands of healthy dogs they destroy every year , mind you cheaper to kill them than feed them more money to use agaist hunts and buy vans uniforms and wages shake the can get the money off old dears and kids , lying theiving misfits evey vet they use is screend to get there views before they are given a contract send for an application form for a job the only word in the title which is true is the one begining with C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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