Malt 379 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 yes hypothetically we are a sovereign state , but in real terms the sovereign does not legislate . .end of story , in 57 years of reign the monarch has introduced no laws of her own nor overturned any of parlhaments. The job is purely symbolic , our legislation is set by a democratically elected government and has been since cromwell . The parliament act is a good piece of legislation preventing the unelected house from blocking the will of the elected government. . We are not a true, free democracy, whichever way you want to speak about it. The legislation set by the democratically elected parliament you speak off is nothing without royal assent. The police & armed services also serve under the authority of the crown, not the elected parliament, it is the crown that ultimately wields power in the county. Even the elected government carry the title, HM Government, they govern in the name of the crown, not in the name of the country. You say: "in 57 years of reign the monarch has introduced no laws of her own nor overturned any of parliaments." Well I seem to recall her threatening to withhold royal assent a few years back, when the privatisation of the Post Office was being mooted, and this effectively killed the idea. As for the parliament act being a good piece of legislation, what about the time it was used to lower the age of consent for gays to 16? I don't recall that being too popular with the majority of the population, very democratic use of it.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 And these fuckers wonder why idiots like the BNP get votes!...........I heard Hague on R4 this morning saying "No vote now........", if the referendum turns into a vote on our membership of Europe then so be it........but Cameron, at least do what you said you were going to do It wont mean we have to pull out or anything like that, we may be a small country and not as powerful as we used to be but the sqaure mile still generates billions of pounds more than than most of these European exchanges.........I would like to think the UK still counts for more than most of these other piss ant ex-eastern block countries......... They need us just as much as we need them.........have some balls Cameron and call their bluff And say we did pull out, a trade agreement with the US would be just as good and cost us less. [/quote BRITAIN joined the common market not the EU. We have been lied to every step of the way the EU is the next step to a Federal European state , The apathy of this once proud nation amazes me its like the life blood is being drained away , You call the bnp idiots yes i agree but at least they alert people to the lies being told to people on immigration , WE DO NOT NEED EUROPE NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL, We have systematical let are farms , fishing and manufacturing industries be scaled down, sold, and lied to over trade , Australia, new Zealand, America, south Africa, and all the rest of the world. Trade with us as they all ways have , The money we put in to Europe is more than we get out , the next step is a European army Navy air force, lies lies lies , vote ukip , bnp , what ever ,The Tories have just shown there true colors , if they would back track over a referendum on Europe what will they do over the hunting act, WHILE ARE LADS GET MURDERDERD BY RAG HEADS THEY ARE TRYING TO TRAIN , AND FIGHT A WAR WITH SUB STANDED EQIPMENT THE DONKEYS OF WESTMINSTER ARE LEADING THIS COUNTRY DOWN A PATH WE WILL IN THE END HAVE TO FIGHT ARE WAY OUT OF , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flint67 2 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 the democratic system is what it is , laws are made passed or overturned by the government , democracy doesnt mean we all get a vote or referendum on every debate , it just means we are governed by elected representatives. To put it in perspective the blair govt introduced somewhere in the region of 10 000 alterations to legislation , impossible to democratically vote on , impossible for HM to effectively monitor. A free vote is the democratic way to overturn the ban . . We vote our local mp in , not the party line. Nice to disagree with someone who doesnt get abusive ! Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 VOTE BNP AND PUT THE GREAT BACK INTO BRITAIN! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 the democratic system is what it is , laws are made passed or overturned by the government , democracy doesnt mean we all get a vote or referendum on every debate , it just means we are governed by elected representatives. To put it in perspective the blair govt introduced somewhere in the region of 10 000 alterations to legislation , impossible to democratically vote on , impossible for HM to effectively monitor. A free vote is the democratic way to overturn the ban . . We vote our local mp in , not the party line. Nice to disagree with someone who doesnt get abusive ! Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Can any one who knows the in's and out's of these matters explain to me why us BRITISH citizens were not given a vote on the Lisbon Treaty ? Surely for it to be democratic everyone of voting age from every country that would become part of it must Lawfully be allowed a vote ? Ie why do Ireland , the Checz ect get a vote but us Brits did not ? Simple answer is they didn't give us a vote because they knew what the result would be... Other than that, countries such as Ireland have it written into their constitution that they must have a referendum on any constitutional affair. We don't have such legislation in place, and one reason is that we are not citizens but subjects, subject to Her Majesty, and subject to HM Government. Basically, what they say, goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flint67 2 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 . We don't have such legislation in place, and one reason is that we are not citizens but subjects, subject to Her Majesty, and subject to HM Government. Basically, what they say, goes. In any country what the government says goes ! ! In order to prevent us being taken into a federal europe without a referendum , all that has to happen is the 1972 european law act has to be ammended ,. . . .nothing to do with sovereign rule or the monarchy , . .none of our legislative affairs are anything to do with the sovereign , honestly , laws are made in parliament Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 . We don't have such legislation in place, and one reason is that we are not citizens but subjects, subject to Her Majesty, and subject to HM Government. Basically, what they say, goes. In any country what the government says goes Not when it comes to constitutional affairs like the Lisbon treaty. ! ! In order to prevent us being taken into a federal europe without a referendum , all that has to happen is the 1972 european law act has to be amended It's irrelevant now though, the EU constitution has been ratified. . . . .nothing to do with sovereign rule or the monarchy , . .none of our legislative affairs are anything to do with the sovereign , honestly , laws are made in parliament I know that laws aren't made by the monarch, but we do live in a constitutional monarchy, all laws are tied to the crown! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 All laws can be broken..................all laws have been broken in the past.....Bring it on NOW! Rgds Swampy Ningingatworkagainundercoverofwork Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dosser 52 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 They are faffing about, saying they will save bits of our constitution and not surrender any more soveignty, why the f**k are we surrendering any sovereignty, whats that got to do with trade ? By definition what has already happened is treasonus (spelling) Theres a bloke called John Harris from bristol, who sent 2 affit davids to the queen calling for her to sack the government within 40 days (he looked into some very old laws,) His letters got "lost" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billy_wizz 2 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Don't suppose we can have blair and brown hung for treason can we then the signatures will be as much use as this country will be if we get president blair! And i read something somewhere that there was nearly a military coup in Britain last time labour where in something to do with there policies being against Britain's best interests what could be more against our interests than giving away all our power? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I would back a military coup to rid us of these traitors ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I would back a military coup to rid us of these traitors ! moi aussi! Swampy ningingcrossborder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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