jonnygray 139 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. Who the ban is repealed for is not really the point though is it? You still seem to think that hunting is only for what you think are the 'upper classes'. I'm not sure why, but perhaps you should read some of the other posts in this thread. As someone has already said; hunting is a great leveller. All are equal in the hunting field, and the only snobbery I've ever come across has been from the antis. In reality, the majority of hunts are staffed, and supported by some of the poorest people in society. They may not live in cardboard boxes, but I know many, many supporters who live in rented accommodation, and hunt on foot. Some folks make sacrifices to be able to afford the time and small amount of money needed to follow hounds. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome! I'm not sure why you think it's necessary to tell the world that you assaulted a school teacher because you didn't like his or her politics? The fact that you are a professional golfer to me makes you anything but 'working class' regardless of your upbringing. If you were made welcome to a golf club it is more likely to be because of your prowess with a club than anything else. You can't get much further away from hunting where the only thing that matters to anyone is the hounds and the hunting. I've a very good friend who has spent his whole life in hunt service. He lives in a tied cottage, and the small amount of time he can spare for any sort of social life is devoted to hunt fund raising functions. He lives and breathes hunting and his hounds, and probably works more hours in one week than some people do in a year. Go and tell him he's a 'toff' or 'upper class' and see what happens. Who's more 'upper class' these days? The lowly hunt servant, or the professional golfer who owns his own course......... I wonder. sorry son start reading ! i dont own i run! this bought about by a dedication to something for a very long period of my life working 60 -70 hours a week to start with serving the same pricks who jump on the horses at some of the more prestigious hunts, and whos wifes and kids help with these fundraisers between terms at expensive boarding schools or if the gardener cant be arsed to service her that particular morning! ive no beef with the people who look after the hounds and the terriers they most probably earn every penny they get! as do I! but as i say its not them or us that the law will be changed for! it is the rich and connected that the law will service as it always has and as it always will! look at the pro hunt posters going about! huntsman in full dress holding a cute little hound puppy! not a young lad in his reeboks with a given ferret and a few old nets! and look at your own words once more" the lowly hunt servant" cant be a servant without a master. im my own master ican work my own terriers my own hounds and if i wanted to dress up like a twat and chase them on a goat i can still legally do it! for free! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willum 89 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) .and im my own master ican work my own terriers my own hounds and if i wanted to dress up like a twat and chase them on a goat i can still legally do it! for free! lol dress like a twat and chase them on a goat. sorry peeps serious topic funny reply though. edited for fat fingers on keyboard syndrome Edited November 3, 2009 by willum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 sorry son start reading ! i dont own i run! this bought about by a dedication to something for a very long period of my life working 60 -70 hours a week to start with serving the same pricks who jump on the horses at some of the more prestigious hunts, and whos wifes and kids help with these fundraisers between terms at expensive boarding schools or if the gardener cant be arsed to service her that particular morning! ive no beef with the people who look after the hounds and the terriers they most probably earn every penny they get! as do I! but as i say its not them or us that the law will be changed for! it is the rich and connected that the law will service as it always has and as it always will! look at the pro hunt posters going about! huntsman in full dress holding a cute little hound puppy! not a young lad in his reeboks with a given ferret and a few old nets! and look at your own words once more" the lowly hunt servant" cant be a servant without a master. im my own master ican work my own terriers my own hounds and if i wanted to dress up like a twat and chase them on a goat i can still legally do it! for free! I'm not your 'son' You write about 'pricks who jump on horses at some of the prestigious hunts', what about some of the more prestigious golf clubs? Do they welcome strangers with open arms? Do they dress up in funny clothes and studded shoes? What is the difference? I must remember to call into St Andrews and ask them if I can give this golf lark a go. I bet anyone would get a warmer welcome at the Quorn. I've seen many a youngster in reboks (and other inappropriate footware) at hunt meets up and down the country. I also know many hunt supporters who own lurchers, terriers and ferrets, and work them. How many of your golf club members are involved in 'grass roots' countrysports? What you golfers do to goats is your own affair................ Your postings are a prime example of the kind of 'inverted' class prejudice that is common thinking in the 'anti' circles. People who hunt are all called 'Tarquin' and ride horses while wearing funny clothes! Hunt staff (who are properly known as 'servants') serve the hunt, not any individual. Hunts are owned and administered by committees. Committees are made up of supporters. I'd vote for a ban on golf tomorrow. It takes land away from food production and encourages people to wear strange clothing and think they are better than anyone else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 methinks jonnyboy has a putter wedged up his ass...your not old Monty in disguise are you... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonnygray 139 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 sorry son start reading ! i dont own i run! this bought about by a dedication to something for a very long period of my life working 60 -70 hours a week to start with serving the same pricks who jump on the horses at some of the more prestigious hunts, and whos wifes and kids help with these fundraisers between terms at expensive boarding schools or if the gardener cant be arsed to service her that particular morning! ive no beef with the people who look after the hounds and the terriers they most probably earn every penny they get! as do I! but as i say its not them or us that the law will be changed for! it is the rich and connected that the law will service as it always has and as it always will! look at the pro hunt posters going about! huntsman in full dress holding a cute little hound puppy! not a young lad in his reeboks with a given ferret and a few old nets! and look at your own words once more" the lowly hunt servant" cant be a servant without a master. im my own master ican work my own terriers my own hounds and if i wanted to dress up like a twat and chase them on a goat i can still legally do it! for free! I'm not your 'son' You write about 'pricks who jump on horses at some of the prestigious hunts', what about some of the more prestigious golf clubs? Do they welcome strangers with open arms? Do they dress up in funny clothes and studded shoes? What is the difference? I must remember to call into St Andrews and ask them if I can give this golf lark a go. I bet anyone would get a warmer welcome at the Quorn. I've seen many a youngster in reboks (and other inappropriate footware) at hunt meets up and down the country. I also know many hunt supporters who own lurchers, terriers and ferrets, and work them. How many of your golf club members are involved in 'grass roots' countrysports? What you golfers do to goats is your own affair................ Your postings are a prime example of the kind of 'inverted' class prejudice that is common thinking in the 'anti' circles. People who hunt are all called 'Tarquin' and ride horses while wearing funny clothes! Hunt staff (who are properly known as 'servants') serve the hunt, not any individual. Hunts are owned and administered by committees. Committees are made up of supporters. I'd vote for a ban on golf tomorrow. It takes land away from food production and encourages people to wear strange clothing and think they are better than anyone else. agree you with you whole heartedly on the golf bores the f**k out of me too! but yes roll up at any of those clubs with a wallet full of cash and dressed correctly and they would let you play! and it beats shovellin shit for a crust! i never tried to defend golf i just made a point that the hunt is not classless! where other forms of hunting are and this will be to their detriment when and if the hunting act is altered! we will never course hares gain or deer or fox for that matter! the hunt is a show and that is all! yes it gives people a living but if you really want to get to the bones of it it is not an effective form of pest control! lurchers and terriers will account for a far larger numbers of fox than the hunts ever will! and a for taking up land for food production there are hundreds of farmers around the country who packed in and built a golf course cos they couldnt sell their crops for profit because of the shit the tories left the economy in the last time they got their fat cocks stuck up the arse of this country! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 BOLLOX! One sniff that the hunting with dogs act (thats all dogs! lurchers, hare hounds, foxhounds and deer hounds) will possibly get repealed and the hunting "community" turns in on itself! Jeez Stand together. For the record Hunting is classless. a measure of class is NOT the size of your wallet! rgds Swampy Middleclass ning coz I like sitting on the fence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) i agree hunting with hounds on horse back will be ok as for blokes with terriers/lurchers will still be illeagal Taken from the we don't stand together thread: If the hunting ban is repealed in England and Wales? mark my words "it will only be to the benefit of organised packs and the MFHA!! it will not be repealed in favour of Lurcher or Terrier work and it will be licensed?" I'm not spreading or advocating any type of division here only stating the obvious?? and we will be asked by the powers that be (countryside alliance) for our support again? I'm not giving it if its to the detriment of the ordinary lads and not for the benefit of everyone who hunts with dogs Tom Ps: If the tories get in Westminster it will have no effect regarding hunting in Scotland, we have different legislation here, its a devolved matter Smug git. No offence Tom but isn't this one of our biggest problems? "I'm all right Jack" Sorry if you misinterpreted the above eg: "Ps: If the tories get in Westminster it will have no effect regarding hunting in Scotland, we have different legislation here, its a devolved matter What I was pointing out is fact! an appeal south of the border will have no effect in Scotland its not me being smug I'd rather we were in the same boat with regards a hunting appeal!! donnyc say's eg: "Terrierwork is not illegal .So whats the problem ??If your on permission within the act cannot see what the fuss is all about ..If your not on permission dont suppose the act bothers you anyway.." He's right!! terrier work is not illegal, but here in Scotland one of the restrictions is that, it must be your intention to shoot the quarry! In my experience the majority of scots terriermen have no interest in guns but the law dictates a gun must be present to dispatch the fox Fieldfare say's eg: "the Countryside Alliance did'nt do much with my sub's for my fieldsports!!!: The Countryside Alliance in Scotland dropped their appeal on a hunting ban here, because the mounted packs were safe, due to their intention shoot fox's as prescribed by current legislation (I drew up a code of practice for shooting over hounds when the legislation came into place, for "The Lanarkshire & Renfrewshire Foxhounds" that code of practice was adopted/modified and used by a number of packs in Scotland) The mounted packs continue as normal as it must be only your intention to shoot the fox? a practice that is not always feasabile especially if a lead hound is right up a fox's arse especially if it was slow in bolting from cover!! Scottish lurcher and terriermen had some of their activites curtailed eg: no longer allowed to take hares or other means of humane dispatch re; fox's Tom Ps: I look up to people like Swampy (I don't really ) co's he's middle class and I'm only working class!! I also know my posistion and aim in life its to start a class revolution!! as one of the Tooting Popular Fronts (TPF's) greatest philosopher and Chairman "Wolfie Smith say's "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!" Edited November 3, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flint67 2 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 there are some hunt followers who are elitist snobs ,very unwelcoming . . .there are some hunt followers who are as down to earth ,and friendly to all ,as anyone you will ever meet. The same goes for most if not all walks of life. There can be very few ,if any , who have met enough people to say all hunt followers are one thing or another. When you make such vast sweeping statements about people ,either for or against , you weaken your own arguments as biased and badly thought out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Ps: I look up to people like Swampy (I don't really ) co's he's middle class and I'm only working class!! I also know my posistion and aim in life its to start a class revolution!! as one of the Tooting Popular Fronts (TPF's) greatest philosopher and Chairman "Wolfie Smith say's "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!" You fell for it Tom! I'm not really middleclass................I'm just a social climber who has delusions of grandeur and an over inflated ego! Rgds Swampy Jumped upning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I look up to people like Swampy (I don't really ) co's he's middle class and I'm only working class!! I also know my posistion and aim in life its to start a class revolution!! as one of the Tooting Popular Fronts (TPF's) greatest philosopher and Chairman "Wolfie Smith say's "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!" :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I look up to people like Swampy (I don't really ) co's he's middle class and I'm only working class!! I also know my posistion and aim in life its to start a class revolution!! as one of the Tooting Popular Fronts (TPF's) greatest philosopher and Chairman "Wolfie Smith say's "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!" :laugh: A Scotsman quoting an Englishman and a Welshman laughing.......Some things never change. He does look up to me........3ft 6in in his high heels and wig And I'm 3ft 8in! So there! rgds Swampy impishning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MuttleMcTuttle 21 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 BOLLOX! One sniff that the hunting with dogs act (thats all dogs! lurchers, hare hounds, foxhounds and deer hounds) will possibly get repealed and the hunting "community" turns in on itself! Jeez Stand together. For the record Hunting is classless. a measure of class is NOT the size of your wallet! rgds Swampy Middleclass ning coz I like sitting on the fence I say dahhhling, does one really have to stand together with these frightfully awful people and their mongrel curs? I'm sure they would frighten my pony I'd sit on the fence next to you, but I'm common as muck really, and you wouldn't want to be seen with me... There are class differences everywhere, why should hunting be any different? There seem to be more "snobs" on here than in the hunting field though... a weird kind of inverted snobbery that implies that you are worthless if you don't have a rabid bull cross and absolutely no regard for other people's property, the law, or even how to behave in the countryside. I don't think it's very likely that the people who hunt with packs of hounds are going to be very supportive of the gangs of yobs that roam the streets with slavering dogs looking for semi-tame urban foxes to harass... and while that sort of behaviour is still going on I can't see much hope for the lurcher lads when it comes to lifting the ban. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zap 4 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 i dont get this its a class thing becuase you have to pay ? thhats like saying to be a football fan and go to matches have the strip and go to away games you need to be a snob ? :people save so they can go out at weekends and do what they enjoy blink: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I've been staying out of this cos I don't know much about hunting with dogs. I do know a lot about politics tho. . . The "Hunting with Dogs Act" was pure class warfare. I read a comment recently by an "Old Labour" MP. He said that the only truly Socialist, Class War legislation passed by the present Labour Government was the Hunting With Dogs Act. He did not go on to say that because they had to dress it it up as being opposed to cruelty they had to ban all forms of hunting with dogs, including lurchers chasing and terriers digging. I am prepared to bet that if or when the Tories get back in we will see class warfare again. They will repeal the Act so the Hooray Henries can get themselves up in fancy dress, climb on their horsey-worses and go galloping around the countryside making prats of themselves. The lads who are doing a useful job of pest control with their lurchers or terriers will still be banned. If any of you guys with the dogs think the Tories will back you up . . .sorry guys, get a life. Ric It makes not a blind bit of difference whether riding to hounds is upper crust chinless wonders in fancy dress or country folk out for a day combining pest control with sport. What does matter is how it is perceived -Tory blue - by the majority of people who know naff-all about it except what they get from the boob-box and red-tops. And that, friends, is not good. The media only consider the Quorn and Pytchley end, not the little local hunts. As I said, Labour banned riding to hounds purely on class grounds. Whether those grounds really existed was irrelevant. Since they had to make it look good, they banned, in effect, all forms of fox hunting with dogs. Yes, I know, I know. flush 'em and shoot 'em, flush 'em and sic a big raptor onto 'em. I said in effect. I am claiming that if the Tories keep their promise to repeal the act it will:- 1.) be the first time in the history of the known universe that a politician kept a promise and 2.) only apply to riding to hounds. Got to keep the paymasters happy, who cares about those plebeian types with their wretched mongrels. I say yet again IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT IS. IT'S HOW THE MEDIA SEE IT THAT MATTERSRicW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
events co-ordinator 353 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 The Terriermen in Scotland got the best deal they could out of a govt determined specifically to ban ALL Terrierwork they got this because they were represented by an extremely profesional team put forward by the National Working Terrier Federation under the experienced hand of Barry Wade. This is the opposite to what happenned to lurcherwork they had no representation the Scottish working dog association tried to address this and put forward a team to give evidence and the Scottish Parliament refused to allow them the time to represent their case. This was due mainly to lack of written evidence submitted by lurcher clubs the only one I remember off hand was from the Caithness lurcher club and Paul Crofts personal one The SWDA put in for ALL dog work but as usual a lot of the ones doing the most shouting on this site didnt make much noise when it counted .As for me I had to get time off school to go to the evidence sessions read about them on the NWTF site and you will see how hard fought it was. YIS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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