Hunting Ban

[RicW 67]

I've been staying out of this cos I don't know much about hunting with dogs. I do know a lot about politics tho. . .

 

The "Hunting with Dogs Act" was pure class warfare. I read a comment recently by an "Old Labour" MP. He said that the only truly Socialist, Class War legislation passed by the present Labour Government was the Hunting With Dogs Act. He did not go on to say that because they had to dress it it up as being opposed to cruelty they had to ban all forms of hunting with dogs, including lurchers chasing and terriers digging.

 

I am prepared to bet that if or when the Tories get back in we will see class warfare again. They will repeal the Act so the Hooray Henries can get themselves up in fancy dress, climb on their horsey-worses and go galloping around the countryside making prats of themselves. The lads who are doing a useful job of pest control with their lurchers or terriers will still be banned.

 

If any of you guys with the dogs think the Tories will back you up . . .sorry guys, get a life.

 

Ric

[Malt 379]

It was payback for Thatcher closing the mines.

[higgins 75]

I've been staying out of this cos I don't know much about hunting with dogs. I do know a lot about politics tho. . .

 

The "Hunting with Dogs Act" was pure class warfare. I read a comment recently by an "Old Labour" MP. He said that the only truly Socialist, Class War legislation passed by the present Labour Government was the Hunting With Dogs Act. He did not go on to say that because they had to dress it it up as being opposed to cruelty they had to ban all forms of hunting with dogs, including lurchers chasing and terriers digging.

 

I am prepared to bet that if or when the Tories get back in we will see class warfare again. They will repeal the Act so the Hooray Henries can get themselves up in fancy dress, climb on their horsey-worses and go galloping around the countryside making prats of themselves. The lads who are doing a useful job of pest control with their lurchers or terriers will still be banned.

 

If any of you guys with the dogs think the Tories will back you up . . .sorry guys, get a life.

 

Ric

Always thought it was just to get the votes from hunting folk to suit themselves.....don't really want the Tories back in

but the other parties are no better.....i stopped voting since it never made any real difference who was in power,they're only in it for the power they can wield over everyone.

[Guest mk3]

i agree hunting with hounds on horse back will be ok as for blokes with terriers/lurchers will still be illeagal

[Foxgun Tom 75]

i agree hunting with hounds on horse back will be ok as for blokes with terriers/lurchers will still be illeagal

 

Taken from the we don't stand together thread:

 

If the hunting ban is repealed in England and Wales? mark my words "it will only be to the benefit of organised packs and the MFHA!! it will not be repealed in favour of Lurcher or Terrier work and it will be licensed?"

 

I'm not spreading or advocating any type of division here only stating the obvious?? and we will be asked by the powers that be (countryside alliance) for our support again? I'm not giving it if its to the detriment of the ordinary lads and not for the benefit of everyone who hunts with dogs

 

Tom

 

Ps: If the tories get in Westminster it will have no effect regarding hunting in Scotland, we have different legislation here, its a devolved matter

Edited November 2, 2009 by Foxgun Tom

[fieldfare 1]

i agree hunting with hounds on horse back will be ok as for blokes with terriers/lurchers will still be illeagal

 

Taken from the we don't stand together thread:

 

If the hunting ban is repealed in England and Wales? mark my words "it will only be to the benefit of organised packs and the MFHA!! it will not be repealed in favour of Lurcher or Terrier work and it will be licensed?"

 

I'm not spreading or advocating any type of division here only stating the obvious?? and we will be asked by the powers that be (countryside alliance) for our support again? I'm not giving it if its to the detriment of the ordinary lads and not for the benefit of everyone who hunts with dogs

 

Tom

 

Ps: If the tories get in Westminster it will have no effect regarding hunting in Scotland, we have different legislation here, its a devolved matter

 

Exactly, the Countryside Alliance did'nt do much with my sub's for my fieldsports!!!

[donnyc 1,203]

Terrierwork is not illegal .So whats the problem ??If your on permission within the act cannot see what the fuss is all about ..If your not on permission dont suppose the act bothers you anyway..

[RicW 67]

It was payback for Thatcher closing the mines.

[RicW 67]

i agree hunting with hounds on horse back will be ok as for blokes with terriers/lurchers will still be illeagal

 

Taken from the we don't stand together thread:

 

If the hunting ban is repealed in England and Wales? mark my words "it will only be to the benefit of organised packs and the MFHA!! it will not be repealed in favour of Lurcher or Terrier work and it will be licensed?"

 

I'm not spreading or advocating any type of division here only stating the obvious?? and we will be asked by the powers that be (countryside alliance) for our support again? I'm not giving it if its to the detriment of the ordinary lads and not for the benefit of everyone who hunts with dogs

 

Tom

 

Ps: If the tories get in Westminster it will have no effect regarding hunting in Scotland, we have different legislation here, its a devolved matter

 

Smug git. No offence Tom but isn't this one of our biggest problems? "I'm all right Jack"

[R. Docks 154]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

[Malt 379]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

It's all about perception, no one here is saying that fox hunting is a preserve of the rich, but you ask Joe Public which 5 words spring to mind when they're asked about fox hunting. I bet amongst them will be the word 'toff' or 'Horay Henry.'

[higgins 75]

I'm wondering whether the ban may increase hunting in packs,know of a person who gave up terriers and started hunting with hounds instead,another effect of the law change is terriermen digging at night as opposed to daytime digging,less chance of being caught or seen easily,also the ban has a certain effect on most of us not trusting one another,maybe that was one of the original intentions of the government to make us all less cohesive('divided we fall' we are easily governed if we do not stick together).Certainly poaching will increase as a result of having to gain 'permission in writing' and so on, our right to roam with hunting animals,many people who are just getting into hunting will not bother as it involves too much time and effort to gain permission,even farmers and landowners will not be so generous to give permission as they become criminalised if a law is broken on their land they then become responsible.There are probably a few other subtle changes that replaces a legal natural way of life in the past and now has altered the quality of hunting and the way hunting takes place,there are simply too many laws in place and it has become too complex and is a nightmare to stay legal.Surely these laws have been deliberately brought in to make as many people think it's not worth the hassle of hunting,and thus their job of outlawing all forms of hunting will be much easier as their will be less resistance to any new laws that in future may be applied,just my thoughts on the subject.

[jonnygray 139]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

[RicW 67]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

It's all about perception, no one here is saying that fox hunting is a preserve of the rich, but you ask Joe Public which 5 words spring to mind when they're asked about fox hunting. I bet amongst them will be the word 'toff' or 'Horay Henry.'

 

All hunts that follow hounds on horseback are perceived by the press to be a bunch of Hooray Henries and Henriettas. You know, I know, that there is a little more to it than that. The trouble is, the press ain't interested in the truth. They just want to sell papers.

 

A-a-a-rgh. don't set me off on one again! You are so right about the local "Goff Club". Bloody little middle-class shopkeepers!

 

I'm off to bed before I burst something irreplaceable.

 

Ric

[R. Docks 154]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.