A dog for your head and a dog for your heart

[whin 463]

sounds good keep him at it , got afew young dogs my self not missd much but for the nite time only got one real coursing bitch left realy,others are 7 yrs old and a 4 month pup ,rest bred for a job an doing it good

[whin 463]

nothing worse than going out for a walk on your own and you need to lewash dogs all the time i like them free and cant beat it if you have to high tail it , onluy use aleash if im with strange dogs or in big feilds in the day lite , cant beat free and quite best way at times

[WILF 46,543]

Just touching briefly on Wilfs' original supposition....

 

Is it not possable to have a well schooled jukel,..one that has a modicum of education,..that also has an immense 'prey drive'....

 

Does a real 'do or die' merchant have to be a wild critter,..free as a bird,.running on 'heart' alone,.. and making all the important decisions for himself,.OR,.is there room for some compromise....

 

I'll not bore the members of this unique hunting man's website,..and say that I have had great success with both types,...but,..I do feel that there comes a time (well,.there USED to come a time)....when a wee bit of 'leave it,..lets fecking go',...has its place....

 

All the best,...CHALKWARREN....

 

"Leave it, lets fecking go"..........oh yes, how right you are

 

I remember being out with a good pal who runs a real machine of a dog.........It was a long time ago, but if my memory serfves me right we spotted some tasty game in the beam........dog knows his job, sent him on........the dog did no more than a sharp left and away into the darkness much to the bemusement of me and my pal!

We stood for maybe a minute looking at each other.........some sound alerted us to the dogs presence and when we found him he was fast hold of a very tasty critter (I love rabbit)

Now he works extremely well with his owner off lead, they are a real team.......but on this occasion he went his own way and knew best

I could tell you about a few 300+ yd slips when the target has been stood just yds from a wood..........the dog took his game

Dont know the meaning of "cant"...........

 

I suppose another way to put things is, would folk want a thinker or a doer ..........as you know, some critters when put under a bit of pressure will panic and do the thing that wasnt meant to happen .........historically speaking of course!

The animal that "thinks" I wont be catching that would drive me nuts........give me old stupid who dont know when to quit!......thats the lad that would make me smile

Edited November 3, 2009 by WILF

[snoopdog 1,256]

But the question is chalky which put the most game in the bag.....i mean that is what this post is really all about ........i will addmit i have never had a dog that i could call of game when it has started the chase ...come to think of it ...if ithey where off the lead and stood next to me and it had spotted somthing i still couldnt ......infact i would be disapointed if i could call them off ....but through personal exsperence it would have come in handy at times..... right in front of a keeper springs to mind just as i where telling him they where rescue lurchers .....and they couldnt catch a cold..... like whin my lurchers are very rarley on a lead....unless iam visting the big land .or lamping ..other then that they find there own game ......

[whin 463]

only dogs that are run hard learn in there 3 or 4th season whats on offer and i saw some that had to be carried back got them , any dog can be run to quit but only some dogs learn to quit when out all depends on how hard you run then ,ive f****d a few good daylite hare dogs out at nite chaseing big game they started looking at a hare if to say fech you jack ,then ive had some that had to be held back or would keel over , its a discusion my old mate wrote about in the early ed rd about his beardie lurchers ,years ago , some dogs no matter how hard you run them will quit on there feet lying feched and needing electrose no matter how hard you work them the minute they are [bANNED TEXT] they are back at it again some take a few years to learn ,whats catchable and whats not , i like a bit of both in my kennels

[MOO 730]

[quote name='WILF' post='1308971' date='Nov 3 2009, 06:41 PM'

"Leave it, lets fecking go"..........oh yes, how right you are

 

I remember being out with a good pal who runs a real machine of a dog.........It was a long time ago, but if my memory serfves me right we spotted some tasty game in the beam........dog knows his job, sent him on........the dog did no more than a sharp left and away into the darkness much to the bemusement of me and my pal!

We stood for maybe a minute looking at each other.........some sound alerted us to the dogs presence and when we found him he was fast hold of a very tasty critter (I love rabbit)

Now he works extremely well with his owner off lead, they are a real team.......but on this occasion he went his own way and knew best

I could tell you about a few 300+ yd slips when the target has been stood just yds from a wood..........the dog took his game

Dont know the meaning of "cant"...........

 

I suppose another way to put things is, would folk want a thinker or a doer ..........as you know, some critters when put under a bit of pressure will panic and do the thing that wasnt meant to happen .........historically speaking of course!

The animal that "thinks" I wont be catching that would drive me nuts........give me old stupid who dont know when to quit!......thats the lad that would make me smile

I remember you telling me that story wilf ....you told it that graphically it was if I was there.

Heres my take on cw question ....alot of stuff contrary to some on here s believes but preydrive or willing ness to get to quarry and similar attributes in a working lurcher obviously cannot be trained they are bred that way but just because a dog is that way inclined does not mean it cannot be trained to a decent standard although al ot of lads just dont put the effort in ...its all about spending time with the dog and getting it out in amongst it as much as injuries weather etc allows too much people are point aim and slip and thats it ....wilf touched on the point its all about team work and the more you get them out the better a dog learns fuk all sitting in a kennel .....I spoke to a lad once about his kennels that are not very good but his responce was " they are never in them they are alway s out doing there job "....which imo is spot on

[whin 463]

not hard to train a dog to stop at the start of a chase had dogs i could call off , on rabbs hare, roe was alot harder but if i got them quick could yell them off ,can be done but needs to be carefully done and not for the run of the mil lurcher owner as has to be taught young and kept in check then let him go and pull back to remember him once in a while

[flint67 2]

way back when the world was a saner place , i used to wonder when i saw an intelligent dog get kicked up in the air by them sika , , just what it was thinking running in behind them afterwards . . And missing. Seemed to me the wooden headed breakneck killing dogs would just land running and pile straight back in.just a thought , i daresay there are thinking dogs game enough for the big stuff

[WILF 46,543]

alot of stuff contrary to some on here s believes but preydrive or willing ness to get to quarry and similar attributes in a working lurcher obviously cannot be trained they are bred that way but just because a dog is that way inclined does not mean it cannot be trained to a decent standard although al ot of lads just dont put the effort in ...

 

I absolutely agree with you MOO, you know yourself that the pup I had from you and Butler was the easiest dog I have ever trianed and I mean a pleasure and I feel sure he would have gone on to be everything his parents had been.

But sadly nature dealt the dog a cruel hand (or foot as the case may be) and he will never get his chance, you know how gutted I was, absolutely devistated losing that dog..........he was a little pal and I know he would have made me smile.

 

That little pup took everything in his stride.........you told it something once and that was it, on to the next thing.

 

Anyway, the thread is no big deal.........just thought it would make a change from the "Look at my pittbull x lab x presa x laso abso, its a legend!" type threads.

[Stabs 3]

we spotted some tasty game in the beam........dog knows his job, sent him on........the dog did no more than a sharp left and away into the darkness much to the bemusement of me and my pal!

We stood for maybe a minute looking at each other.........some sound alerted us to the dogs presence and when we found him he was fast hold of a very tasty critter (I love rabbit)

 

Had the exact same thing with one of mine WILF....had the game in the beam at 12 o'clock, dog was away on his toes at half past two...lamp off, with me looking to the heavens muttering some Anglo-Saxon curses....a noise...lamp back on and the young fella was busy bringing down a buck He clearly knows better than I do

[snoopdog 1,256]

we spotted some tasty game in the beam........dog knows his job, sent him on........the dog did no more than a sharp left and away into the darkness much to the bemusement of me and my pal!

We stood for maybe a minute looking at each other.........some sound alerted us to the dogs presence and when we found him he was fast hold of a very tasty critter (I love rabbit)

 

Had the exact same thing with one of mine WILF....had the game in the beam at 12 o'clock, dog was away on his toes at half past two...lamp off, with me looking to the heavens muttering some Anglo-Saxon curses....a noise...lamp back on and the young fella was busy bringing down a buck He clearly knows better than I do

mine was after a three legged hare once he was putting the hare under some real pressure then the fooking thing ran in a hole int the bottom of a tree ....i thought right razor this will test you ...and to my amazment he ran to my van opened the boot and got the fooking chainsaw out,,,,ive told this story many times in the local boozer......its strange really evey time i go in they say tell us about that time your dog got the chainsaw out of your van... when it cut the branch of a tree and poked that hare out .......

[-=Magwitch=- 29]

He has many faults and most probably being down to me but he's got "Balls of Steel" this little black fecker............................Got the look of the devil in his eyes.

[UNFIT 0]

not hard to train a dog to stop at the start of a chase had dogs i could call off , on rabbs hare, roe was alot harder but if i got them quick could yell them off ,can be done but needs to be carefully done and not for the run of the mil lurcher owner as has to be taught young and kept in check then let him go and pull back to remember him once in a while

whin you dogs wont catch much down my way if they think they will be called of at some point ,when they see EYES they have to go all the way ,they catch or miss depends on them ..i run every thing i see never mind how far away , unless i turn the lamp of for some reason, then they can and do still catch in the dark . .no ifs or buts .that is what decides the numbers at the end of the night . Edited November 4, 2009 by UNFIT

[whin 463]

dont worry they wiil my bitch will run out as far as you want and young 13 month dog the same thye caut a biggie two feilds away from me in the dark, so no probs unfit for the little haredogs mate infact pre ban a good roe was a better chase or hare ,first ones these young dogs saw god nite held it to masrter came , this was astory i made up lol

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

Hi Wilf, good topic

 

Personally I prefer a dog who just wants to be beside me wherever I go. They are just happy to be beside me. Being with me is what pleases them.

 

The wild ones are ok, if they just like me and want to be with me, I dont mind them, but if they feck off and dont want to return then I cant stand that.

 

Obediance is fine, but I like a friend for a dog not a robot.

 

The bond has got to be there with my lurcher no matter what type they are.

Edited November 5, 2009 by cúagusgiorraí