which cal ??

[MrYou 0]

I am in the head scratching mode of which cal for my variation , fox & small mammals. I used a 22-250 with far too much crack, a 223remmy, was ok, the hornet not quite the power for deer, & a 223wssm, i was very impressed.

The wssm 223 was far superior , over the 22-250 & flat to 200yds zero, the 223 cheep to reload & mil sup ammunition is available cheep.

So which direction should I go ??

 

223remmy to 50/55gr

22-250 to 55/70gr

or 223wssm 45/70gr

 

Give me a clue lads, which wich is witch I was scratching the idea of 223, because 223 is 223 ,wether 223 remmy or 223 wssm, on certificate & there seems to be a huge diffrence in punch, between the two calibers !

 

243 , is a no hoper

Edited October 31, 2009 by MrYou

[jamie g 17]

223wssm is prob the fastest 22 centrefire off shell it can push a bullet around 200 fps faster then a 220 swift. and can be piced up for next to nothing. [ downside imo not as good resale value and less choice of rifles]

 

223 if yo ugo for a 1 in 9 or 1 in 8 twist you can push bullets heavier then what you have stated on your page. of course the heavier the bullet the more loopy it would be.

 

22/250 again most are 1 in 14 so that will only really go to 55 grain bullets. you could get a 1 in 12 that will do up to 60 grain bullets.

 

if it was me looking for one again the new savage looks the best on market. h&s stock, heavy barrel, superb accuracy, and trigger out the box which you can adjust yourself.

 

and best of all they do it in a 1 in 12 or a 1 in 9 twist which for 22/250 i bet would be superb

[SportingShooter 0]

I am in the head scratching mode of which cal for my variation , fox & small mammals. I used a 22-250 with far too much crack, a 223remmy, was ok, the hornet not quite the power for deer, & a 223wssm, i was very impressed.

The wssm 223 was far superior , over the 22-250 & flat to 200yds zero, the 223 cheep to reload & mil sup ammunition is available cheep.

So which direction should I go ??

 

223remmy to 50/55gr

22-250 to 55/70gr

or 223wssm 45/70gr

 

Give me a clue lads, which wich is witch I was scratching the idea of 223, because 223 is 223 ,wether 223 remmy or 223 wssm, on certificate & there seems to be a huge diffrence in punch, between the two calibers !

 

243 , is a no hoper

First of all, I have to say that you're final decision will come from what feels right in your own hands and what you feel comfortable shooting.

 

The .223 is a more than capable Fox round for those of us who don't shoot over about 350 yards. As you say ammunition is relatively plentiful and there is quite a wide variety of weight and bullet heads around. It can also deal with anything up to Muntjac & CWD in England & Wales and up to Roe north of the border providing it meets the energy standards.

 

The .22-250 is no doubt an extremely capable Fox round and again for those smaller Deer. However, it uses around 40-50% more powder than a .223 with the added crack and sheer noise to go with it. It has a great flat trajectory for longer range shooting. However, factory ammunition is expensive compared to a .223 and there is not as much choice, depends what and how much you plan to shoot with it.

 

The WSSM is a relatively new round with a strange set of reviews, some like and have a positive experience, the others say it could not group under a few inches, I think it needs more testing. There are likely to be precious few rifles and brands of ammunition to choose from TBH.

 

One last thing, the .223 and .223 WSSM are two distinct cartridges, they will have to be put on your FAC separately, i.e. a .223Remington on ticket will not allow you to buy a .223 WSSM and vice versa.

 

If I had to choose one? .223

[RicW 67]

I am in the head scratching mode of which cal for my variation , fox & small mammals. I used a 22-250 with far too much crack, a 223remmy, was ok, the hornet not quite the power for deer, & a 223wssm, i was very impressed.

The wssm 223 was far superior , over the 22-250 & flat to 200yds zero, the 223 cheep to reload & mil sup ammunition is available cheep.

So which direction should I go ??

 

223remmy to 50/55gr

22-250 to 55/70gr

or 223wssm 45/70gr

 

Give me a clue lads, which wich is witch I was scratching the idea of 223, because 223 is 223 ,wether 223 remmy or 223 wssm, on certificate & there seems to be a huge diffrence in punch, between the two calibers !

 

243 , is a no hoper

 

Here we go again. Using mil spec 5.56 in a gun proofed for .223 is a seriously dumb move. Up to you but if you value your face don't do it. Me, I'd go for a .204 but then I'm in love!

 

Ric

[Mr_Logic 5]

.223 WSSM I saw had very bad reports for its accuracy, not really worth the hassle given barrel life.

 

22-250 and 223 are both good. 22-250 goes further and hits harder but has more recoil and uses more powder. Barrels last far less time than .223 as well.

 

My choice is 223, but it was originally made because of being able to use it at Bisley. Ultimately either works well - what kind of distance are your foxes?

[jamie g 17]

2 things i dont agree with is 22/250 being alot louder then 223 from what i have heard well out shooting a 223 with ase mod on it is the same as my 22/250 with same mod. you wouldnt tell the differene to notice.

 

and the other thing is the barrel wear. yes it wont last as long as 223 that is a fact. but lets face it if your using it for fox control your have to be shooting alot of foxes to wear one out. biggest killer in barrel wear is very hot loads. but mainly firing shots off one after the other for 6 to 7 rounds at a time with out cooling down in between.

 

and not looking after the barrel making sure you clean it right. from the reading of the 223wssm the older ones didnt have chrome lined barrels like the newer ones.

so barrel wear was a problem with them.

[MrYou 0]

I am in the head scratching mode of which cal for my variation , fox & small mammals. I used a 22-250 with far too much crack, a 223remmy, was ok, the hornet not quite the power for deer, & a 223wssm, i was very impressed.

The wssm 223 was far superior , over the 22-250 & flat to 200yds zero, the 223 cheep to reload & mil sup ammunition is available cheep.

So which direction should I go ??

 

223remmy to 50/55gr

22-250 to 55/70gr

or 223wssm 45/70gr

 

Give me a clue lads, which wich is witch I was scratching the idea of 223, because 223 is 223 ,wether 223 remmy or 223 wssm, on certificate & there seems to be a huge diffrence in punch, between the two calibers !

 

243 , is a no hoper

 

Here we go again. Using mil spec 5.56 in a gun proofed for .223 is a seriously dumb move. Up to you but if you value your face don't do it. Me, I'd go for a .204 but then I'm in love!

 

Ric

 

NO NO NO !!! PPU 223

[MrYou 0]

2 things i dont agree with is 22/250 being alot louder then 223 from what i have heard well out shooting a 223 with ase mod on it is the same as my 22/250 with same mod. you wouldnt tell the differene to notice.

 

and the other thing is the barrel wear. yes it wont last as long as 223 that is a fact. but lets face it if your using it for fox control your have to be shooting alot of foxes to wear one out. biggest killer in barrel wear is very hot loads. but mainly firing shots off one after the other for 6 to 7 rounds at a time with out cooling down in between.

 

and not looking after the barrel making sure you clean it right. from the reading of the 223wssm the older ones didnt have chrome lined barrels like the newer ones.

so barrel wear was a problem with them.

Great read, experience pays off. Thanks for your comments.

I always took for granted, on a outing the rifle only had 5 shots at most on deer, or fox ! & on returning home the rifle would be cleasned & pulled through. So, there is no issue with barrel wear.