borntoshoot 1 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi all, i am applying for my shotgun certificate in the next week and already have a cabinet, have read up on laws, safety etc but dotn know what cal to get. my dad is applying at the same time and he is adament he wants a 20bore as he likes the feel of my uncles over under, he wants an over under aswell. now what i am wondering is whether i should get a 12bore because admittedly i dont have a large budget, (£200-250 max) and wont have alot to spend on cartridges, i want to do some pigoen shooting, game shooting, general virmin control (rabbits etc) and i also want something i can take foxes with. so would a 12bore be a good choice for me? im not the biggest lad but not smallest either and have shot with all calibres from .410 28bore 20 bore and 12 bore, even 8 bore (once) and can easily take the recoil of 30grm 12bore loads all day shooting on peg. opinions please. p.s. this has probably been done hundreds of times so sorry. Quote Link to post
bigt123 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi, i have been shooting shotguns for 40 years and have owend 12 and 20g , both are verry good but if you want one gun you can not beat a 12g it will do everything you want and will work out cheeper in the long run, hope this helps, tony Quote Link to post
borntoshoot 1 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 cheers, thats what i thaught, you have just reinforced my opinion lol. also do you think i should convince him to get a 12 aswell due to safety reasons of 12 bore and 20 bore cartridges as we will be shooting together sometimes. Quote Link to post
james b 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Get the 12 mate plenty of cheap ones about 20 very good but you wont get the power for foxes from it by right you need a minimum of 40 grams of shot for fox and as far as i know you cant get shells that powerfull in the 20. Quote Link to post
ShooterXD 10 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Get the 12 mate plenty of cheap ones about 20 very good but you wont get the power for foxes from it by right you need a minimum of 40 grams of shot for fox and as far as i know you cant get shells that powerfull in the 20. I'd agree with going for a 12 for both of you due to being able to get more for the same budget in a 12 than a 20, tho i would disagree that you need a minimum of 40 grams to shoot fox, i think the shot size makes more of a diffrence than the grams in the load. Quote Link to post
borntoshoot 1 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 i know for fox you want to be using bb or 4's thats what ive been told anyway. Quote Link to post
bigt123 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi, if you and your dad both get a 12g you will save a fortune by buying in bulk 20 are fine for fox but 12g is best Quote Link to post
borntoshoot 1 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi, if you and your dad both get a 12g you will save a fortune by buying in bulk 20 are fine for fox but 12g is best what do you mean by bulk? do you mean thousand at a time or say 5 thousand at a time, because we wont have alot to spend on carts, all our money is going towards my sparsholt savings for accomodation , that and mortgage etc so this is just what tiny bit we have spare. and where is the cheast place for carts? and can you mail order carts? is that possible? Quote Link to post
gossy 3 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 hi, if you and your dad both get a 12g you will save a fortune by buying in bulk 20 are fine for fox but 12g is best what do you mean by bulk? do you mean thousand at a time or say 5 thousand at a time, because we wont have alot to spend on carts, all our money is going towards my sparsholt savings for accomodation , that and mortgage etc so this is just what tiny bit we have spare. and where is the cheast place for carts? and can you mail order carts? is that possible? alright mate i have owned both and both are very good but for what you want particularly the foxes i would go 12 as i couldnt find any fox cartridges for a 20 whereas theres tons for 12. nice to hear about sparsholt to mate iam there and its brilliant. what coarse you going to do?? atb gossy Quote Link to post
sibaldib 6 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think you should start off with a 12 bore. I have been shooting shotguns for nearly 40 years and have only in the last 5 years moved on to a 20 bore. The 20 bore is a lighter quicker gun, great for snap shooting, but harder to shoot crossers and driven as you have to make much more of an effort to keep the barrels moving. Incidentally everyone on our shoot has come to the conclusion that we kill as many foxes with 30gms of No5 or No6, than we do with the bigger SG or BB. Finally 20 bore cartridges are now quite a bit more expensive than 12 bore. Cheers Sib Quote Link to post
borntoshoot 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 hi, if you and your dad both get a 12g you will save a fortune by buying in bulk 20 are fine for fox but 12g is best what do you mean by bulk? do you mean thousand at a time or say 5 thousand at a time, because we wont have alot to spend on carts, all our money is going towards my sparsholt savings for accomodation , that and mortgage etc so this is just what tiny bit we have spare. and where is the cheast place for carts? and can you mail order carts? is that possible? alright mate i have owned both and both are very good but for what you want particularly the foxes i would go 12 as i couldnt find any fox cartridges for a 20 whereas theres tons for 12. nice to hear about sparsholt to mate iam there and its brilliant. what coarse you going to do?? atb gossy national diplomer in game and wildlife managment. ( think) not sure because i am doing a 1 year course then a 2 year course. Quote Link to post
gossy 3 Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 the nd is the coarse iam on and it is brilliant what that means is you will be doing the fd for a year and then move on to the nd if you want to. Quote Link to post
masmiffy 82 Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) hi, if you and your dad both get a 12g you will save a fortune by buying in bulk 20 are fine for fox but 12g is best what do you mean by bulk? do you mean thousand at a time or say 5 thousand at a time, because we wont have alot to spend on carts, all our money is going towards my sparsholt savings for accomodation , that and mortgage etc so this is just what tiny bit we have spare. and where is the cheast place for carts? and can you mail order carts? is that possible? Euroguns offer 12G Kent velocity 28gm for around £125 / 1000 I have a mate who is paying £110 / 1000 in lots of 5000, not sure where from tho! Edited November 1, 2009 by masmiffy Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 hi, if you and your dad both get a 12g you will save a fortune by buying in bulk 20 are fine for fox but 12g is best what do you mean by bulk? do you mean thousand at a time or say 5 thousand at a time, because we wont have alot to spend on carts, all our money is going towards my sparsholt savings for accomodation , that and mortgage etc so this is just what tiny bit we have spare. and where is the cheast place for carts? and can you mail order carts? is that possible? Money is always an issue and cartridges have gone up a lot in the last 2 or 3 years. lets look at this from the financial viewpoint. 20g carts are more expensive than 12 on the whole, buying any cartridge a box at a time is expensive, if you intend to shoot clays as well and you both have a 12g you will find 1000 disappears quickly. Do whatever you can in these circumstances to buy in as sensibly large quantities as you can! worth a look here... http://www.justcartridges.com/ Quote Link to post
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