RicW 67 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ok people, just for once this isn't one of my wind-ups. I've not long since seen a guy I know, not a mate but we get on OK, out for a jar with his Staffie. Now, Keano - that's the dog - is a great wee beastie. Jet black except for white paws and white shirt-front, great conformation, pretty good temperament. OK with adults, great with kids, dodgy with other dogs. He's also a powerhouse. What bothers me is that Brad keeps him on one of those harness jobbies, wrapped round his front legs and body but not even a collar round his neck. Now, I've owned a lot of dogs in my time but they've all been pets. They have all been trained to behave themselves in public, but I know zilch about training working type dogs. To my mind a dog like Keano should be on a choke chain, or at least a semi choke collar. If he ever loses his rag and locks on to another dog, or God forbid a child, Brad will have no way of getting him off before he does some serious damage. I have strong hands and wrists but I couldn't choke Keano off if he went for it. If he wore a choke chain he could be stopped, no? All my pets, even my Lhasa Apsos, have been choke trained. So, a genuine question. How do you guys who have working dogs that you also take out in public feel about this? Ric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Try a break stick, much quicker ........ Can I see some photos of you choking a Lhasa Apso please, I think that would be very funny, do the eyes pop out when they are dead? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Try a break stick, much quicker ........ Can I see some photos of you choking a Lhasa Apso please, I think that would be very funny, do the eyes pop out when they are dead? :clapping: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ok people, just for once this isn't one of my wind-ups. I've not long since seen a guy I know, not a mate but we get on OK, out for a jar with his Staffie. Now, Keano - that's the dog - is a great wee beastie. Jet black except for white paws and white shirt-front, great conformation, pretty good temperament. OK with adults, great with kids, dodgy with other dogs. He's also a powerhouse. What bothers me is that Brad keeps him on one of those harness jobbies, wrapped round his front legs and body but not even a collar round his neck. Now, I've owned a lot of dogs in my time but they've all been pets. They have all been trained to behave themselves in public, but I know zilch about training working type dogs. To my mind a dog like Keano should be on a choke chain, or at least a semi choke collar. If he ever loses his rag and locks on to another dog, or God forbid a child, Brad will have no way of getting him off before he does some serious damage. I have strong hands and wrists but I couldn't choke Keano off if he went for it. If he wore a choke chain he could be stopped, no? All my pets, even my Lhasa Apsos, have been choke trained. So, a genuine question. How do you guys who have working dogs that you also take out in public feel about this? Ric Awite WicR. Hows uni? I've got a bit of an issue here. I've been trying (!) to keep my viszla on a half choke collar for the past 9 mnths. My missus who's somewhat on the slim side nigh on had her shouldeer ripped out when a neighbours cat decided to taunt my dog. Soooo the wife decides thats it she's getting a harness......foookin great I have to walk a fine specimen of a canine out on kiddy reins. But I am ashamed to admit that he's so much better behaved. No pulling, walks to heal and doesn't jump up at people who stop and chat. Don't ask me why but its brilliant. Embarrassing yes, but so what! OK so the old lady is right again, that hurts a bit, but yesterday took him out with a straight clip on leash and he was good as gold. Maybe they have there place?! If it works use it. Couldn't possibly comment on the bred you're talking about tho'.......why have one like that? Hope all is well in the world with ya Rgds Swampy contrite ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Couldn't possibly comment on the bred you're talking about tho'.......why have one like that? Why not? Individual choice surely. The same lad has posted that he has those little fanny lickers around him, what use are they except for making money out of? Or maybe putting videos of them being choked on You Tube maybe ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,220 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Cant understand the mentality of taking a dog out for a pint but still .....they cant take their drink and conversations shit !.....but i suppose it does make your bollocks look a little bigger especially if its a big tough " staffie ". If the fella cant control his dog or break it off a dog if an accident happens then he shouldnt be out with the dog....what good a choke chain will do in a situation like that i dont. Tell the kid to get the soppy xmas tree harnesses off and get the dog a sensible strong collar....if he thinks his dog is likely to get into situations then do the responsible thing and carry a break stick....but learn how to use it first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DDD 4 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Not all dogs respond to choke chains - my 2 snap the feckers so I got sick of buying them. 1/2 checks IMO are better used on small dogs, terriers etc. Just an opinion of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DOGGINLAD 538 Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Alot if not 90% of bull terrier owners are going to ask what a breaking stick is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dances Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 lol, i was waiting for that. used to carry a break stick for one dog but iv learnthow to break him off stuff with my hands just incase i dont have a stick, i dont like using break sticks. harnesses are better than collars i think, more control and chokers are shit as someone said theyll snap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I've always held those harness things in utter contempt: seeing them as yet another 'bunny huggin-do-gooder-leftist-anti-come-to-mummy-for-cuddles-whose-my-precious-then' accoutrements of modern pet dogs: even had to advise someone that it really wasn't the best thing to put her Whippet in when its 'little armpits' were being rubbed raw by said harness. BUT it is a weird thing that dog relax in them (providing they don't rub). They don't appear to pull and best of all it appears to take away a lot of aggression from dogs when on leads (normally one of the biggest causes of dog to dog aggression). And I promise I haven't Googled this next bit: but I think that it must have something to do with making the dog feel more secure mentally: lets face it, being grabbed by the throat (either by a choke collar or by another dog) is something that is bound to heighten an aggressive response to a situation. Now I'll go and Google those pearls of wisdom (LOL) and see if I was right!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littletimmy 71 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 lol, i was waiting for that. used to carry a break stick for one dog but iv learnthow to break him off stuff with my hands just incase i dont have a stick, i dont like using break sticks. harnesses are better than collars i think, more control and chokers are shit as someone said theyll snap. You don't half spout some shit sometimes johny. What part of a dog does damage? So having control of the opporsite end is not giving you more control. As for breaking sticks; whats this super method you have just using your hands? would it work on dogs who didnt quit as soon as they felt a little pain? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DOGGINLAD 538 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Why dont you like usuing breaking sticks johnny? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick 7 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 lol, i was waiting for that. used to carry a break stick for one dog but iv learnthow to break him off stuff with my hands just incase i dont have a stick, i dont like using break sticks. harnesses are better than collars i think, more control and chokers are shit as someone said theyll snap. Far less control with a harness on get a good collar The only time i used to use a harness was when i was doing a lot of road work Mick.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,220 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) As for breaking sticks; whats this super method you have just using your hands? would it work on dogs who didnt quit as soon as they felt a little pain? I thought exactly the same...must admit its got me intrigued.....does it involve hypnotism/yoga or something Edited October 31, 2009 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Looks like about 70/30 for choke or semi-choke vs harness. TBH, I didn't expect even that much for harnesses. I only mentioned having had Apsos in order to stress that I trained even those little terriers using semi-choke collars. A mate had once been talking about training his JRT to flush for the gun. I asked him if he could train one of mine to the gun. He looked her over and said, dead-pan, "She'd make a good pull through for a 12-bore". Well thank you very much - not! Swampy - Uni's going great. Roll on graduation and out of halls so I can get my FAC back Strong Stuff - "The lad"??? You say the sweetest things ducky. I'm 61 . . . Ric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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