Levi Oakes info

[border bandit 0]

I met Levis son last week for a chat. I have a pedigree of billy and cool dawn (lady) in front of me. Ive a few old pictures and pedigrees lying around also. Danny is on 3 sides of the pedigree before that. Anyway are you saving all the info with a view to writing a book? Allow FC albert and others who knew him best to have a say. I wouldnt give any more of this info that i have out as there are too many people around who claim to have Levis breeding and they have dogs of pedigree unknown.. The main thing is that through his dogs the memory of the man lives on. And yes i still have the lines and knew him well although not as well as some of the affore mentioned

[winjim 1]

Hi Folks, just wondering did anyone on here ever meet or hunt with Levi Oakes, his name seems to be highly respected in border terrier circles[even on this side of the pond]. I noticed from another post that Mark P and Reef mention him id love to know more about him such as was he terrierman to any hunts or prefer to hunt solo,did he keep a big kennell and did he k.c. reg his dogs ,did he like hard dogs or sounders,did he only work his dogs on fox,did he keep a lurcher,did he shoot and what part of UK did he live in? a.t.b. Burrowman

Ray walker worked this line very hard and went out with Levi but so did alot of good terriermen fred jim gordon keith john frank to name but a few but I know one thing you would have to ring Levi he wouldnt ring you

u forget albert radcliff mate, him an ray walker work ther own lines albert being the one between them who had them first, him and ray struggled to find proper working borders they couldent find eny worth breed in off, they line breed them a few times, shortly they became undershot, and came with small heads, he told me they were to hard only lasting a couple of digs. they gave ther stuff to levi as he was strugglein to find good borders aswell, not manny people no that alot of levis stuff was border lakelands, which he passed as pure borders, never mind the papers because most of them was fake he put lakelands in the breed to give em a bit of size back in to them.

wasnt going to mension that part of it but i can back you on this ,he had two border lakelands from me 3/4 his border and 1/4 lakeland through a bitch i had from john park . he never talked about them

 

you keep on ray this albert that it all started with levi an a bitch called misty thats where all this hard line came from simmy danny pepper an more to mention this line started with levi owning the misty bitch trust me i spent years with levi

the introduction of the border x lakelands was after the red stag breeding if memory serves me right reef did levi ever get anything out of taffy an rosie that breeding would of turned his breeding round in a big way

 

 

lisnen mate albert and levi got 2 borders at the same time, they came of an old farmer, levi called his misty ,albert called his danny, they were litter brother an sister so really they dident start the line because they bought the dogs of an old farmer who worked them hard.

 

listen here dickbert you now nothing by what you have stated albert was not even on the seen [bANNED TEXT] this early breeding was going on 1 border was fetched an only 1 the bitch called misty no other dog left that farm so stop your bollocks :oops:

[winjim 1]

I met Levis son last week for a chat. I have a pedigree of billy and cool dawn (lady) in front of me. Ive a few old pictures and pedigrees lying around also. Danny is on 3 sides of the pedigree before that. Anyway are you saving all the info with a view to writing a book? Allow FC albert and others who knew him best to have a say. I wouldnt give any more of this info that i have out as there are too many people around who claim to have Levis breeding and they have dogs of pedigree unknown.. The main thing is that through his dogs the memory of the man lives on. And yes i still have the lines and knew him well although not as well as some of the affore mentioned

 

so you have a pedigree what do you want a party if you have a pedigree of cool dawn you have all my dogs on there from ray walker dogs an you mention FC KNOWN AS A PUFF IN A WHITE TRACK SUIT let me educate you so simple people you think you now everything well listen to this like it or lump if you got kc,s an pedigree,s of dogs you got nothing because this line started with no pedigree or kc an don't make me prove it because i can

Edited November 4, 2009 by winjim

[J Darcy 5,871]

Hi Folks, just wondering did anyone on here ever meet or hunt with Levi Oakes, his name seems to be highly respected in border terrier circles[even on this side of the pond]. I noticed from another post that Mark P and Reef mention him id love to know more about him such as was he terrierman to any hunts or prefer to hunt solo,did he keep a big kennell and did he k.c. reg his dogs ,did he like hard dogs or sounders,did he only work his dogs on fox,did he keep a lurcher,did he shoot and what part of UK did he live in? a.t.b. Burrowman

Ray walker worked this line very hard and went out with Levi but so did alot of good terriermen fred jim gordon keith john frank to name but a few but I know one thing you would have to ring Levi he wouldnt ring you

u forget albert radcliff mate, him an ray walker work ther own lines albert being the one between them who had them first, him and ray struggled to find proper working borders they couldent find eny worth breed in off, they line breed them a few times, shortly they became undershot, and came with small heads, he told me they were to hard only lasting a couple of digs. they gave ther stuff to levi as he was strugglein to find good borders aswell, not manny people no that alot of levis stuff was border lakelands, which he passed as pure borders, never mind the papers because most of them was fake he put lakelands in the breed to give em a bit of size back in to them.

wasnt going to mension that part of it but i can back you on this ,he had two border lakelands from me 3/4 his border and 1/4 lakeland through a bitch i had from john park . he never talked about them

 

you keep on ray this albert that it all started with levi an a bitch called misty thats where all this hard line came from simmy danny pepper an more to mention this line started with levi owning the misty bitch trust me i spent years with levi

the introduction of the border x lakelands was after the red stag breeding if memory serves me right reef did levi ever get anything out of taffy an rosie that breeding would of turned his breeding round in a big way

 

 

lisnen mate albert and levi got 2 borders at the same time, they came of an old farmer, levi called his misty ,albert called his danny, they were litter brother an sister so really they dident start the line because they bought the dogs of an old farmer who worked them hard.

 

Hi Chaps, Now i know nothing at all about Borders, but i was once told that those dogs that came from that farmer were "feral" and Levi had asked the farmer if he could have them and the farmer said that if he could catch them he could have them. Apparetly it took ages to catch them and they only managed to catch two, but there were more. Thats what i was told by an old time terrier man. I cannot vouch for is authenticity.

 

Also many years ago i was in conversation with Ray. We never warmed to each other due to some disagreement with one of my family many years earlier. However, i did ask him about his borders and he told me that he struggled to get them past their second birthday such was there hardness. He told me that the tiny gene pool made his line extinct.

 

I wish i had interviewed the man now when he was still alive for i bet he had some superb stories to tell.

 

Good Thread by the way chaps....Keep it going....JD

[reef 9]

I met Levis son last week for a chat. I have a pedigree of billy and cool dawn (lady) in front of me. Ive a few old pictures and pedigrees lying around also. Danny is on 3 sides of the pedigree before that. Anyway are you saving all the info with a view to writing a book? Allow FC albert and others who knew him best to have a say. I wouldnt give any more of this info that i have out as there are too many people around who claim to have Levis breeding and they have dogs of pedigree unknown.. The main thing is that through his dogs the memory of the man lives on. And yes i still have the lines and knew him well although not as well as some of the affore mentioned

dont worry about giving out info, all the dogs in the ped i posted are long gone ,and would be washed out of any borders of today .you say you still have this line .that makes you one of the people claiming to have levis breeding .the original line was so inbred it would be impossible to be line breeding still,what you have is borders with some of this blood way back .i have loads of photos and peds given to me by levi and dont mind sharing info with anyone .

[fionn 21]

have been keeping a eye on this tread this is my twopence worth i phone levi oaks about 10 years ago looking for pup from working borders as hes came recomended he gave me winjim no and rw and he told me they were the only two that had what i was looking for after couple of phone calls came freindly with winjim he gave me pups and i worked them hard maybe too hard as i lost 3 to ground through there gamness and lack of size little dogs with big hearts iv bred my paterdales to them with great sucsess i have no pure borders now but nearly all my blackdog have all the real blood running through them i also became friends with ray in later years in my opinion out of respect for ray this topic should end now as he would have a great infulence on this breed of terrier

[stag1 3]

i got a warrener dvd and theres a lads who digs with levi,s strain on there and they seem to be realy good terriers

[pickaxe 23]

get hold of a copy of the fell+moorland vid, hear it from Levi himself! he tells you where the line started

[Guest eastmids]

out of respect for ray this topic should end now as he would have a great infulence on this breed of terrier

i disagree fionn no ones being disrespected,the thread makes a nice change on this section fair play to them lads with there imput.

[reef 9]

out of respect for ray this topic should end now as he would have a great infulence on this breed of terrier

i disagree fionn no ones being disrespected,the thread makes a nice change on this section fair play to them lads with there imput.

i for one have massive respect for ray walker and what he did with the borders ,but that line is gone .when he stopped keeping them was the end of it , levi carried on with some outcrosses ,i asked ray what he thought of them and he said he would not put his name to them .for me that says it all .jim carried on breeding pure borders for a while useing hes own outcross bitch and still got some workers ,but in the end he packed them up .if anyone being disrespectfull it the ones who are still laying claim to this blood .

[marky r 25]

good thread iv always liked borders not often you see erm come out of proper working dogs.

[Ben Dover 1]

What's wrong with looking for some info on dogs that you keep ? No one has disrespected anyone here I think.

If you don't like the read, go and do something else. No offence intended to anyone but this might be interesting

to the people who actually care about keeping accurate records as to what they have in their home or kennel.

And maybe use it wisely when it comes to breeding them one way or another. I would just like to add that the bitch I had was only bred twice in her life. All the pups she had were given to friends who work them and are still there.

IMO it's nice to see that there are still some honest people out there that can back up what they are taking about.

Thanks to Reef, Winjim and all those that did contribute. And all the haters can... :wankerzo4:

[fionn 21]

out of respect for ray this topic should end now as he would have a great infulence on this breed of terrier

i disagree fionn no ones being disrespected,the thread makes a nice change on this section fair play to them lads with there imput.

its just my opinion as i said in my reply i didnt mean to suggest that anyone was been disrepectfull and i dont care what was on my peds the dogs i got from winjim were out and out workers