Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) This might seem contentious?, some of my family fought against King and country, some killed and were killed by British Government forces, should I as a decendant be held responsible, held to account and be repatriated to a place or country I already belong to?? they're native language was banned and their religeous freedom's taken away and for wearing clothes related to their history and culture, transported into slavery or sometimes executed on the spot for wearing a pattern that was deemed illegal!! but it was OK!! a second or third generation Brit of German decent sitting on the British throne forgave them and wore the same pattern when he visited his families former enemies capital city years later, but read on!! Was this taking place in a faraway country no!! it happened here in Britain!! Genocide, religous intolerance distrust of others, makes these things happen. The BNP and Nick Griffen, God forbid!! could make these things a reality again in 21st century Britain? its over 300 years since it last happened here in Britain why revive a culture of hate and distrust as advocated by Nick Griffen and the BNP? I thought we had moved on? my family certainly did, My grandfather fought in ww2 for King and country alongside other adult males, brothers uncles, nephews etc: to defeat racsism, fascists and a belief system that preached hate. Why on the political front are we taking massive steps back the way, why why why!!! or does history always repeat itself and we learn nothing Intolerance of other peoples culture, ethnic origins, religeon is nothing new!! The Great British Empire was'nt always one of the best episodes in these isles history. A large part of Britains wealth came from the proceeds of slavery and other forms of exploitation, whites as well as blacks were sold, and it was'nt the Nazi's or any other far right organisation who invented the first concentration camps it was the British during the Boer War in South Africa Immigration does need to be capped and Illegal immigrants should be deported!! my personal opinion is that this can be done without supporting the BNP or Nick Griffen?? Tom (aka) an indigenous Scot Edited October 25, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Harold was the last one to have descended from Anglo Saxon roots. ALBA gu Brath! eeerrrr,,,, anglo saxons are NOT the original brittons, they came here AFTER the romans, around the 4th century ad, they came from germany/denmark , befor the romans the celts were here for around 750 years befor christ. so i suppose there the true brits from around the the first century ad , till the 11 century ad, romans, picts, angels, saxons, vikings, and normans all invaded us . history leson over Ancient BRITONS are the Origionals predecessors of the Incini and Bodaciere ect then the Angles Saxons Jutes, the Celtic tribes of Cornwall, Wales and Scotland, then you have the Picts and Scots of Calidonia that origionaly migrated from Eire. This melting pot gave us the foundation of what we became BRITISH ,later throw into an already mongrel nation some african and caribeans some indians and a little bit of blood from every nation the EMPIRE ruled over . But to a man everyone felt lucky to be part of what we had and who we were, all would stand fight and die for our Nation. Now im not to sure the Majority of recent immigrants ie Pakistanis, Somalis, Turks, Iraquis, Afghanis, ect ect are here for any other reason than that its a lot easier than where they came from, they dont for the whole have our values, life is cheap where they came from and for the whole they bring that ethos here. Im not racist as Tomo can vouch for but as iv said a Nationalist. For all the so called White BNP supporters if you were to look far enough back in your family history more of you-me-us will have some form of colour racing thru our veins than those of us that will not. Britain is a mongrel nation but one based on CHRISTIAN VALUES thats what makes us what we are, the latter day immigrants are mainly Muslims and its got to stop . Far to MANY far to Quick and a lot dont give a flying feck about being British or European they will always be Muslim and weather we like it or not if worldwide immigration aint curbed they will turn the world into a Backward thinking Islamic - Taliban ruling state within 200n years just through migration and breeding like rats. If Isalm is so good why dont they stay in Islamic countrys ??????????????????????? Ever heard of the nigth templers.And just about every country you have named Britain have invaded there homeland at one time.Catcher Catcher i mentioned the Empire, im not shirking from our past Yes SOME men who pulled the Strings behind the Empire will have been Evil Tossers but most wouldnt, im not ashamed of our past we were GREAT BRITAIN our Empire was the biggest the World has ever known im proud of that the countries in the Empire advanced greatly under our rule, Slavery was wrong but tribes in Africa used to capture other tribes members and sell them to white slave traders in doing so Black Africans were slave traders themselves. For the whole im proud of our Past a lot more so than our recent present. We all know right from wrong , good from evil ect ect as iv said extreemist muslims want f*****g off as do ALL ILLEGALS, those lucky enough to stay should first be required to learn ENGLISH or they wont-cant integrate causing fear and alienation ect. Everyone allowed into Britain should be allowed to practice whatever they believe in so long as they abide by OUR CHRISTIAN LAWS, ffs they want to rule themselves with Shaira law they should get a firm f**k you or f**k off back to the country of your or your parents-grandparents origin if you want shaira law so much, they bend the rules ie you pay interest on your mortgauge - loans ect they already have banks lending them money charging NO interest because its against their religion , its not a level playing field and fecking rediculouse. THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE or the bnp will only gain more support and that i dont want. Hi mate is you read the topic .At no time have i said i suppot any attack on britain by any one.All i have said is the BNP is not they way we need to go.atb.Catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 This might seem contentious?, some of my family fought against King and country, some killed and were killed by British Government forces, should I as a decendant be held responsible, held to account and be repatriated to a place or country I already belong to?? they're native language was banned and their religeous freedom's taken away and for wearing clothes related to their history and culture, transported into slavery or sometimes executed on the spot for wearing a pattern that was deemed illegal!! but it was OK!! a second or third generation Brit of German decent sitting on the British throne forgave them and wore the same pattern when he visited his families former enemies capital city years later, but read on!! Was this taking place in a faraway country no!! it happened here in Britain!! Genocide, religous intolerance distrust of others, makes these things happen. The BNP and Nick Griffen, God forbid!! could make these things a reality again in 21st century Britain? its over 300 years since it last happened here in Britain why revive a culture of hate and distrust as advocated by Nick Griffen and the BNP? I thought we had moved on? my family certainly did, My grandfather fought in ww2 for King and country alongside other adult males, brothers uncles, nephews etc: to defeat racsism, fascists and a belief system that preached hate. Why on the political front are we taking massive steps back the way, why why why!!! or does history always repeat itself and we learn nothing Intolerance of other peoples culture, ethnic origins, religeon is nothing new!! The Great British Empire was'nt always one of the best episodes in these isles history. A large part of Britains wealth came from the proceeds of slavery and other forms of exploitation, whites as well as blacks were sold, and it was'nt the Nazi's or any other far right organisation who invented the first concentration camps it was the British during the Boer War in South Africa Immigration does need to be capped and Illegal immigrants should be deported!! my personal opinion is that this can be done without supporting the BNP or Nick Griffen?? Tom (aka) an indigenous Scot CheersTom we seam to be few and far between.atb.Catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 we dont have a written constitution like the americans whereby their rights are enshrined in law.for example the right to bear arms etc.we also (and i think a lot of people dont realise this)are not citizens but are subjects which is quite another matter No we dont have a written constisution but as men we should have a moral one.atb.Catcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carp777 191 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 It's not really a surprise though that their membership will rise though is it? Now I don't support any political/criminal party and I think it'll be a sad day if BNP get anywhere although I do agree with a lot of what they say, but just how they can compare any modern day MP/robbing git, who all just jump on the band wagon to this fella:- is just feckin beyond me how right was enoch? well on the 7th of july 2005 the street's of london were "river's of blood" and it was four "british men" three pakistani and one jamaican who carried out this outrageous attack, surely nobody can deny that we have an "enemy within" we have been and are being invaded without a shot being fired, it is time now to end this, to get our own identity back, as a country as a race the time is now! go to the b.n.p. website and join the only party to take the issue seriously the only party to have the gut's to tell it how it is! we can do something about this but it must be now before it's too late, the streets may again be rivers of blood, but this time it won't only be the blood of innocent men women and children going about their everyday live's. let us not forget the 7th of july 2005, as the date that spelled the end of any dream's that immigrant's and their decendent's could truly form a "multiculturial society" we don't want it and neither do they. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steboro 26 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 that;s how the war in Yugoslavia started letting in to many Muslims . i say put them all in Scotland and build up hadrian's wall B B BNP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) that;s how the war in Yugoslavia started letting in to many Muslims . i say put them all in Scotland and build up hadrian's wall B B BNP Again a lack of knowledge and a lot of ignorance on European history or Balkan politics? its a case of just blame someone or a group, wether its the Jews, Muslims, Blacks Catholics or Protestants or some little fecker with red hair and freckles?? If they look different, sound different pray in a strange way or are different from me they're the B@ST@RDS to blame for all of life's woes Some of those muslims in the former Yugoslavia fought with Marshall Tito against the Germans in world war 2 and also helped the British war effort and were trained in guerilla warfare by and served with the british soldiers eg: Sir Fitzroy Maclean, a Scottish diplomat, soldier, adventurer, writer and politician. He specialized in commando raids behind enemy lines, and with Tito and his Yugoslav Partisans. It's been speculated that Ian Fleming used Maclean as one of his inspirations for James Bond. Tom Ps: Muslims had been in the former Yugoslavia since and well before the Ottoman Empire!! Pps: I remember news broadcasts from Serbia and Croatia (the former Yugoslavia) and yesI know attrocities where commited on both sides!! Muslims starved to death in camps, some taken into wooded countryside shot and buried in mass graves. The was also a newscast where the commanding officer of the UN troops was a british officer who helped repatriate a village and said that the attrocities he'd saw were the worst he'd ever seen commited by armed forces Thats why some of those leaders are still being tried for war crimes at the Hague today Tom Edited October 26, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiz 0 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Always amuses me how these threads always have BNP supporters shouting about this Christian country and its Christian values, normally the only time you catch them at church is when they are nicking the lead off the roof. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginger dave 63 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Coming to a city near you; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpztti4DBEM...player_embedded All o0f europe will end up this way! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginger dave 63 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT the BNP Are willing to do for this country.Catcher I'm no expert on their policies, but from what I gather, they want to stop immigration into this country altogether, they want to send back any none British citizen that doesn't have a serious case for being here, they want to restore British values, they want out of Europe, they want to be a more self sustainable country, they want more British jobs for British people, they want to pull our lads and ladies out of Afghanistan... Theres obviously more but I can't remember what else it is that they want at the moment... Oh yeah they want to bring back Capital punishment (for murderers and child rapists) as well as Corporal punishment, and also want to bring back National Service. About time too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lerk 0 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 This might seem contentious?, some of my family fought against King and country, some killed and were killed by British Government forces, should I as a decendant be held responsible, held to account and be repatriated to a place or country I already belong to?? they're native language was banned and their religeous freedom's taken away and for wearing clothes related to their history and culture, transported into slavery or sometimes executed on the spot for wearing a pattern that was deemed illegal!! but it was OK!! a second or third generation Brit of German decent sitting on the British throne forgave them and wore the same pattern when he visited his families former enemies capital city years later, but read on!! Was this taking place in a faraway country no!! it happened here in Britain!! Genocide, religous intolerance distrust of others, makes these things happen. The BNP and Nick Griffen, God forbid!! could make these things a reality again in 21st century Britain? its over 300 years since it last happened here in Britain why revive a culture of hate and distrust as advocated by Nick Griffen and the BNP? I thought we had moved on? my family certainly did, My grandfather fought in ww2 for King and country alongside other adult males, brothers uncles, nephews etc: to defeat racsism, fascists and a belief system that preached hate. Why on the political front are we taking massive steps back the way, why why why!!! or does history always repeat itself and we learn nothing Intolerance of other peoples culture, ethnic origins, religeon is nothing new!! The Great British Empire was'nt always one of the best episodes in these isles history. A large part of Britains wealth came from the proceeds of slavery and other forms of exploitation, whites as well as blacks were sold, and it was'nt the Nazi's or any other far right organisation who invented the first concentration camps it was the British during the Boer War in South Africa Immigration does need to be capped and Illegal immigrants should be deported!! my personal opinion is that this can be done without supporting the BNP or Nick Griffen?? Tom (aka) an indigenous Scot But what's to say the BNP is King Dick???? Maybe Brown is the lionheart - he seems to be doing a sh!thot job of disallowing most things we enjoy doing and have done for many years... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dosser 52 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 we dont have a written constitution like the americans whereby their rights are enshrined in law.for example the right to bear arms etc.we also (and i think a lot of people dont realise this)are not citizens but are subjects which is quite another matter No we dont have a written constisution but as men we should have a moral one.atb.Catcher There is a little document called the Magna Carta, we as british people are born free, but obliged to live by the rule of law, under the rule of law we have the right to trial by jury, and Habius corpus. This system has been envied and copied by every democracy in the world, however it is now almost completly surrendered to Brussels and the EU. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dosser 52 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 that;s how the war in Yugoslavia started letting in to many Muslims . i say put them all in Scotland and build up hadrian's wall B B BNP Again a lack of knowledge and a lot of ignorance on European history or Balkan politics? its a case of just blame someone or a group, wether its the Jews, Muslims, Blacks Catholics or Protestants or some little fecker with red hair and freckles?? If they look different, sound different pray in a strange way or are different from me they're the B@ST@RDS to blame for all of life's woes Some of those muslims in the former Yugoslavia fought with Marshall Tito against the Germans in world war 2 and also helped the British war effort and were trained in guerilla warfare by and served with the british soldiers eg: Sir Fitzroy Maclean, a Scottish diplomat, soldier, adventurer, writer and politician. He specialized in commando raids behind enemy lines, and with Tito and his Yugoslav Partisans. It's been speculated that Ian Fleming used Maclean as one of his inspirations for James Bond. Tom Ps: Muslims had been in the former Yugoslavia since and well before the Ottoman Empire!! Pps: I remember news broadcasts from Serbia and Croatia (the former Yugoslavia) and yesI know attrocities where commited on both sides!! Muslims starved to death in camps, some taken into wooded countryside shot and buried in mass graves. The was also a newscast where the commanding officer of the UN troops was a british officer who helped repatriate a village and said that the attrocities he'd saw were the worst he'd ever seen commited by armed forces Thats why some of those leaders are still being tried for war crimes at the Hague today Tom You are right Tom, but i think you are missing the point, under the Soviet Union many countries were amalgamentd into the union and when it (the soviet union) collapsed, people from the former countries wanted to reclaim their homelands, violence erupted over disputes about the former borders. Our immigration problems are directly linked to our proposed integration into the EU (although politicians would never admit to this) You cant force vast numbers of people from different cultures to live together, it dont work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) It always strikes me as glaringly obvious how every time folk opposed to the bnp argue their case they always without fail take things back to a history lesson !!.....My opinion is that its because they realise that trying to argue their way out of todays problems is a lost cause so have to rely on history to try and discredit a party. As a reasonably powerful nation we should have the right to choose who we do and dont allow into our country and who we do choose should be the cream of the crop in their chosen field and should be chosen for our own needs not theirs....and it shouldnt then mean we are morally obligated to home clothe and feed the rest of the worlds shit.......we need to take charge of our own lives and not feel responsible for the worlds problems....leave history where it is. Edited October 26, 2009 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Every nation is defined by its history and its people, thats what countries are built on, history, culture and tradition, where would any of us be if you dismiss history or forget it it defines who you are?? I'm not just opposed to the BNP but most extreme right wing views Tom Ps: Dosser say's "There is a little document called the Magna Carta, we as british people are born free, but obliged to live by the rule of law, under the rule of law we have the right to trial by jury, and Habius corpus. This system has been envied and copied by every democracy in the world, however it is now almost completly surrendered to Brussels and the EU. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In recent times there have been instances where british citizens have been denied trial by jury? and the worlds biggest democracy, the USA's American Declaration of Independance and its constitution is said by some to be based on the Scottish Declaration of Arbroath?? The implements set down in Magna Carta were originally laid down solely for an English perspective? not British,the concept of Great Britain and the United Kingdom did not exist at the time Edited October 26, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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