gnasher16 30,025 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Every nation is defined by its history, thats what countries are built on, history, culture and tradition, where would any of us be if you dismiss history?? Tom Of course....but should our massive decisions for the future be defined by what happened in our history......the 3 words you use above...well two of them have been totally dismissed and forgotten about today in england......CULTURE and TRADITION ( well english culture and tradition anyway ) so why not forget our history as well.....like i say i believe its an arguing point for people who would rather have one eye looking backwards over their shoulder than 2 eyes looking forward....... Edited October 26, 2009 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Classic right wing tactic deny history instead of embracing it!! why do we Scots hold onto our traditions and culture? its because we hold on to our history and its part of who we are?? Tell me who's to blame for Englands culture and traditions being dismissed? Why contempate throwing away the history of a proud England an England that gave the rest of the world the Doomsday book, the Elizabethan era, Shakespeare, Darwin, Sir Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawkings because I'm interested in history does'nt mean I'm looking back, I have both eyes firmly focussed on the future and history is there to makes sure we don't make the same mistakes again Tom Edited October 26, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hue jeers 6 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I have just watched some of the Question Time set up on BBC i player and that is exactly what it was, a set up. It is disgussting that anyone can be attacked with so much venom in an open debate like that. The BNP has just earned itself another family of voters Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) To know where you are going it helps to know where you have come from. Tom you still didnt answer when i replied that the Scottish health system, education system, transport system ect would be a lot worse if you's didnt get an unfair slice of 50 million Englishmens Tax. If you had to rely on the tax of 5 million Scotsmen you would be up shite creek without a paddle so to speak. Weather you cant see it or not thru your Scots tinted glasses we ARE stronger as a UNION. If you go back through the other thread http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...howtopic=125432 I did answer your points!! and I've pasted my answer below, If Nick Griffen and the BNP gets his way there wont be 50 million englishmens paying tax a lot of them would be repatriated elsewhere?? and don't Englishwomen pay tax as well?? Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maxhardcore say's "Scotlands 5 million Inhabitants have better health care and good education system because they get an unfair slice of Englands 50 million inhabitants tax to pay for it" And then goes on to say: "If they only had the tax of the 5 million Scots their health, education and transport systems would suffer greatly." He further say's: "WE ALL are better off as a UNION be we English, Welsh, Irish or SCOTTISH." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a degree of arrogance and just a wee bit of ignorance in the first statment! Scotland!! does not get Englands 50 million inhabitants tax to pay for a good education system or better health care? and why suggest it only Englands taxpayers? I pay my taxes to the UK government treasury, along with taxpayers in Northern Ireland and Wales as does Englands, I dont pay into to a slush fund that belongs to one partner of the UK and who's remit might be to decide where the british taxpayers money goes!!!!!!! The second statement is wrong!! The Scottish Government also raises funding and covers the cost of Scotlands health, education and judicial systems As for the third statement if its correct? why do many Scots feel as I do and why do we have a Nationalist government in a devolved parliement, I have heard more opposistion to an independant Scotland from outside the country rather than here at home?? Nick Griffen can hoodwink the populace about being british and britishness, and about taking control of a peoples future?? Why can't we Scots be afforded the same or similar future and still retain close cultural,historical links with the rest of Britain?? The Union of the parliements is just over 300 years old and so is the matter of joint taxation between Scotland and the rest of the UK, it was part of the agreement/conditions, have a look at the agreement see link: http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/union.html Tom Edited October 26, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
droid 11 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 To know where you are going it helps to know where you have come from. Tom you still didnt answer when i replied that the Scottish health system, education system, transport system ect would be a lot worse if you's didnt get an unfair slice of 50 million Englishmens Tax. If you had to rely on the tax of 5 million Scotsmen you would be up shite creek without a paddle so to speak. Weather you cant see it or not thru your Scots tinted glasses we ARE stronger as a UNION. Cue comment on 'Scottish Oil Revenue' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) To know where you are going it helps to know where you have come from. Tom you still didnt answer when i replied that the Scottish health system, education system, transport system ect would be a lot worse if you's didnt get an unfair slice of 50 million Englishmens Tax. If you had to rely on the tax of 5 million Scotsmen you would be up shite creek without a paddle so to speak. Weather you cant see it or not thru your Scots tinted glasses we ARE stronger as a UNION. Cue comment on 'Scottish Oil Revenue' Scotland does'nt get so called Scottish oil revinue!! there's no such thing?? the tax from oil revinue goes straight to the UK Chancellor!! have you never heard of an April budget where oil taxation is set every year?, Scotland at the moment benefits from jobs from the oil industry as does the rest of the UK Tom Edited October 26, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 No disrepect mate The only mass that ever left britain for france was James the 2 after the treaty of limerick in 169i/92 James the 2nd and 10.000 of his followers where allowed to leave to france.Its was called the flight of the wild geese.atb.Catcher Oh Really... Just google it if you really need some help with it... I'll except an apology in advance though :wankerzo4: . I dont goole mate i read.atb.Catcher Yeah you can read from the links google give you mate... You think what you want mate,I am older wiser and quicker.Only gut i would give up to is FOXGUN.you bnp lot lot know nothing If you like you can put some of that reading skill into action and read throughout both this thread and the Our Nick thread, you'll see that I've stated on more than one occasion that I am not BNP and will not be voting for them. You just assumed I am BNP because I speak out against the the Islamic curse that is rife in our towns and cities up and down the country. So sorry mate wrong again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Proffitt 142 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 we dont have a written constitution like the americans whereby their rights are enshrined in law.for example the right to bear arms etc.we also (and i think a lot of people dont realise this)are not citizens but are subjects which is quite another matter No we dont have a written constisution but as men we should have a moral one.atb.Catcher There is a little document called the Magna Carta, we as british people are born free, but obliged to live by the rule of law, under the rule of law we have the right to trial by jury, and Habius corpus. This system has been envied and copied by every democracy in the world, however it is now almost completly surrendered to Brussels and the EU. Is that as far as it goes ? Trial by jury and habeus corpus , I mean ... For example, let's say a cop pulls you over and wants to search your car, you do not give permission ...what then ? Or can he pull you over simply to search your car ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 You reckon the Saxons, Angles etc etc did anything other than replace the hierarchy? Get googling laddie..... Why do you only post a couple of lines trying to be the smart arse? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 All a cop has to say is he has a reason to believe or a suspicion a crime has been commited about to be commited and that gives him the right to search your car!! Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 we dont have a written constitution like the americans whereby their rights are enshrined in law.for example the right to bear arms etc.we also (and i think a lot of people dont realise this)are not citizens but are subjects which is quite another matter No we dont have a written constisution but as men we should have a moral one.atb.Catcher There is a little document called the Magna Carta, we as british people are born free, but obliged to live by the rule of law, under the rule of law we have the right to trial by jury, and Habius corpus. This system has been envied and copied by every democracy in the world, however it is now almost completly surrendered to Brussels and the EU. Is that as far as it goes ? Trial by jury and habeus corpus , I mean ... For example, let's say a cop pulls you over and wants to search your car, you do not give permission ...what then ? Or can he pull you over simply to search your car ? He's supposed to have a valid reason. Before he stops you he's got to radio to get permission to stop you. The Criminal justice act 1994, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Just..._Order_Act_1994 gave the police more rights with regard to stop and search, and make it easier for them to carry it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Proffitt 142 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Interesting... and your homes ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Interesting... and your homes ? The police need a warrant signed by a court before they can search a house without consent. I think the only time they can enter without a warrant is if they believe that someone is in danger in the house. I believe Customs & Excise officers are the only ones allowed to enter a property uninvited without a warrant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Proffitt 142 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Interesting... and your homes ? The police need a warrant signed by a court before they can search a house without consent. I think the only time they can enter without a warrant is if they believe that someone is in danger in the house. I believe Customs & Excise officers are the only ones allowed to enter a property uninvited without a warrant. About like here then ...sorry for de-rail ,guys. Was just curious... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) To know where you are going it helps to know where you have come from. Tom you still didnt answer when i replied that the Scottish health system, education system, transport system ect would be a lot worse if you's didnt get an unfair slice of 50 million Englishmens Tax. If you had to rely on the tax of 5 million Scotsmen you would be up shite creek without a paddle so to speak. Weather you cant see it or not thru your Scots tinted glasses we ARE stronger as a UNION. Cue comment on 'Scottish Oil Revenue' Scotland does'nt get so called Scottish oil revinue!! there's no such thing?? the tax from oil revinue goes straight to the UK Chancellor!! have you never heard of an April budget where oil taxation is set every year?, Scotland at the moment benefits from jobs from the oil industry as does the rest of the UK Tom the dorset oil and gas field prodution taxes all so go into the coffers as do the liverpoolbay morecome bay etc and you jocks dont winge tom Edited October 26, 2009 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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