PROVEN DOGS?

[MAIN MAN 277]

[Main Man]

this will almost definatly stir a few coments but there are far to many terriers about who are not bred from good stuff! why breed from dogs that dont do much work and contaminate the good blood with bad!! buy a terrier buy almeans but dont breed from the rubish. even well bred dogs dont always turn out to be good but will kill rats ect!

 

If you had good working terriers and bred them, would you sell the pups to those that aren't gonna do much with the pup?

I wouldn't that's for sure as they would be wasted....could breed the pup with another sub standard dog of their mates and so on an so on

 

So my thoughts are.... unless people are very fortunate to know ppl with good dogs then they are forced to buy whatever there is available - shit in most cases. Good stuff is kept tight

Good stuff should be kept tight thats why it stays good stuff when its in the right hands.

 

Exactly....so only if your in the know do you get a good pup.

I have been lucky, being put on to a pup which i had to travel the length of the country for and has done alright now 2 1/2 years down the line, compared to the 2 pups i had previously from the Yellow Paper.

I'm sure their are miles better dogs about than the dogs my bitch is out of but it's a foot on the ladder for me, the bitch has given me a standard to improve on with the pup I had sent over from Eire recently.

The bitch I have aint proven by a long stretch but what happens if she has another 2 good seasons and I want a pup...should I take a chance on one from an advert??? Line my bitch with the best dog I can find - the dog might be my mates which is alright but no where near as good as Jo Bloggs professional terrierman's dog....BUT Jo doesnt want his blood getting out to any Tom Dick an Harry who only work their dogs once a month on average over a season! I'd have to consider using a dog I was able to use but he might not be the best in the country.......so I'd be getting slightly 'shitter' stuff in the pups.

 

Hope that makes sense......

 

Just to add I'm not thinkin about lining my bitch....just playing devils advocate.

stevo i understand what your saying totaly! i bought some pups when i was younger and put years of work in to them witch was a waist of time! thats why we must only (try) and get the best we can.

A frends mate had a young lad who bought a border cross pup of a so called terrierman and was told this pup would be the buisness!! after a couple years went past i spoke to this lad and he asked me why his pup kept barking at rats!! at 18 months old, he has been down the waist of time road like me and lots of others.

It takes a long time to find good stuff but well worth the wait.

[Guest eastmids]

its the quality of the work im interested in, "then" how much of it its had.

[digaman 0]

stevo i understand what your saying totaly! i bought some pups when i was younger and put years of work in to them witch was a waist of time! thats why we must only (try) and get the best we can.

A frends mate had a young lad who bought a border cross pup of a so called terrierman and was told this pup would be the buisness!! after a couple years went past i spoke to this lad and he asked me why his pup kept barking at rats!! at 18 months old, he has been down the waist of time road like me and lots of others.

It takes a long time to find good stuff but well worth the wait.

Every dogman knows this, and have experience with dogs who don't make the grade. yesterday I had a bloody argument with a guy who is a breeder. He has very good show dogs and thinks what is ugly for show would be good for work. He's been forcing it for ages but hasn't realised yet he is wrong.

This is the wasting the time. And still wondering why can't be successfull meanwhile all the other laughing at him. Every of us tryed to explain our own experience with the zero dogs, and that he never will be able to raise a piece of sh1t.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

[Main Man]

this will almost definatly stir a few coments but there are far to many terriers about who are not bred from good stuff! why breed from dogs that dont do much work and contaminate the good blood with bad!! buy a terrier buy almeans but dont breed from the rubish. even well bred dogs dont always turn out to be good but will kill rats ect!

 

If you had good working terriers and bred them, would you sell the pups to those that aren't gonna do much with the pup?

I wouldn't that's for sure as they would be wasted....could breed the pup with another sub standard dog of their mates and so on an so on

 

So my thoughts are.... unless people are very fortunate to know ppl with good dogs then they are forced to buy whatever there is available - shit in most cases. Good stuff is kept tight

Good stuff should be kept tight thats why it stays good stuff when its in the right hands.

 

Exactly....so only if your in the know do you get a good pup.

I have been lucky, being put on to a pup which i had to travel the length of the country for and has done alright now 2 1/2 years down the line, compared to the 2 pups i had previously from the Yellow Paper.

I'm sure their are miles better dogs about than the dogs my bitch is out of but it's a foot on the ladder for me, the bitch has given me a standard to improve on with the pup I had sent over from Eire recently.

The bitch I have aint proven by a long stretch but what happens if she has another 2 good seasons and I want a pup...should I take a chance on one from an advert??? Line my bitch with the best dog I can find - the dog might be my mates which is alright but no where near as good as Jo Bloggs professional terrierman's dog....BUT Jo doesnt want his blood getting out to any Tom Dick an Harry who only work their dogs once a month on average over a season! I'd have to consider using a dog I was able to use but he might not be the best in the country.......so I'd be getting slightly 'shitter' stuff in the pups.

 

Hope that makes sense......

 

Just to add I'm not thinkin about lining my bitch....just playing devils advocate.

Stevolad The reason a lot of people wont give out stuff is because they have been caught(my self included)This game is full b*****ds and con men.I have giveing out pups for nothing to people only to see them sold to the highest bidder.The same with stud dogs people come with bad bitches looking for the stud to breed shit to sell on and use your dogs name to up the price.Its great to give a pup to a young or old lad starting out but sometimes its hard to tell the good from the bad.look at some of the posts on this site(not all)they should not be giveing a budgie.If real terrier men know you are sound its great to see your dogs going to good working homes.But there are more idiots out there good dog men

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

Stevolad The reason a lot of people wont give out stuff is because they have been caught(my self included)This game is full b*****ds and con men.I have giveing out pups for nothing to people only to see them sold to the highest bidder.The same with stud dogs people come with bad bitches looking for the stud to breed shit to sell on and use your dogs name to up the price.Its great to give a pup to a young or old lad starting out but sometimes its hard to tell the good from the bad.look at some of the posts on this site(not all)they should not be giveing a budgie.If real terrier men know you are sound its great to see your dogs going to good working homes.But there are more idiots out there good dog men

 

 

All to true....

[Cleanspade 3,322]

[Main Man]

this will almost definatly stir a few coments but there are far to many terriers about who are not bred from good stuff! why breed from dogs that dont do much work and contaminate the good blood with bad!! buy a terrier buy almeans but dont breed from the rubish. even well bred dogs dont always turn out to be good but will kill rats ect!

 

If you had good working terriers and bred them, would you sell the pups to those that aren't gonna do much with the pup?

I wouldn't that's for sure as they would be wasted....could breed the pup with another sub standard dog of their mates and so on an so on

 

So my thoughts are.... unless people are very fortunate to know ppl with good dogs then they are forced to buy whatever there is available - shit in most cases. Good stuff is kept tight

 

 

stevo. that is more nonsence. there is plenty of good well bred dogs to be had. the ones that buy shite either want a fancy looking dog for showing or are young and impatient. and the old saying comes to mind... buy in haste and repent at leasure.

 

there are most definately good stuff to be got the length and bredth of the country. anyone that buys a pup from a yellow paper is asking for trouble. unless they do there homework. there is good stuff advertised on the hunting boards. agian the buyer should do there homework. do you not agree with this?

 

liam thats a crackin old pic

[stevolad 26]

How is that nonsense Cleanspade?? I wouldn't dare buy a dog off here now, I enquired about a couple of adverts a couple of month back, lads phoned up, asked about and a LOT of things weren't as they seamed in the advert...lots of umming and arrring.....well actually's and I dont know EXACTLY what the dogs out of.

 

And if i did breed a litter in the future out of worthwhile dogs they would be given to lads I know or have been recommended to me, failing that culled so they werent going to nuggets.

 

So what your saying Cleanspade is that you WOULD sell your pups to whoever, rather than placing them in kennels where they are going to be worked as much as possible.... thats what I was saying.

Because that way the good blood of proven working terriers isnt getting into the wrong hands to be fcuked up as has happened in the past to plenty of good bloodlines.

 

Dont be confusing that first paragraph in my reply as that is what 'Main Man' wrote in a previous post.

[stevolad 26]

[Main Man]

this will almost definatly stir a few coments but there are far to many terriers about who are not bred from good stuff! why breed from dogs that dont do much work and contaminate the good blood with bad!! buy a terrier buy almeans but dont breed from the rubish. even well bred dogs dont always turn out to be good but will kill rats ect!

 

If you had good working terriers and bred them, would you sell the pups to those that aren't gonna do much with the pup?

I wouldn't that's for sure as they would be wasted....could breed the pup with another sub standard dog of their mates and so on an so on

 

So my thoughts are.... unless people are very fortunate to know ppl with good dogs then they are forced to buy whatever there is available - shit in most cases. Good stuff is kept tight

Good stuff should be kept tight thats why it stays good stuff when its in the right hands.

 

Exactly....so only if your in the know do you get a good pup.

I have been lucky, being put on to a pup which i had to travel the length of the country for and has done alright now 2 1/2 years down the line, compared to the 2 pups i had previously from the Yellow Paper.

I'm sure their are miles better dogs about than the dogs my bitch is out of but it's a foot on the ladder for me, the bitch has given me a standard to improve on with the pup I had sent over from Eire recently.

The bitch I have aint proven by a long stretch but what happens if she has another 2 good seasons and I want a pup...should I take a chance on one from an advert??? Line my bitch with the best dog I can find - the dog might be my mates which is alright but no where near as good as Jo Bloggs professional terrierman's dog....BUT Jo doesnt want his blood getting out to any Tom Dick an Harry who only work their dogs once a month on average over a season! I'd have to consider using a dog I was able to use but he might not be the best in the country.......so I'd be getting slightly 'shitter' stuff in the pups.

 

Hope that makes sense......

 

Just to add I'm not thinkin about lining my bitch....just playing devils advocate.

Stevolad The reason a lot of people wont give out stuff is because they have been caught(my self included)This game is full b*****ds and con men.I have giveing out pups for nothing to people only to see them sold to the highest bidder.The same with stud dogs people come with bad bitches looking for the stud to breed shit to sell on and use your dogs name to up the price.Its great to give a pup to a young or old lad starting out but sometimes its hard to tell the good from the bad.look at some of the posts on this site(not all)they should not be giveing a budgie.If real terrier men know you are sound its great to see your dogs going to good working homes.But there are more idiots out there good dog men

 

All the more reason to look into people, you can tell alot about a person on here from how they conduct themselves, what they say and the input they have. Whenever I have contacted someone off here it's because something they have said has caught my eye and struck a note with me, looked back at previous posts, threads an comments and you can see what they are all about.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

you done your homework then there is plenty of shite everywhere. you just have to avoid it'

are you saying that every pup sold on here is crap. i dont breed many pups. but if i did i would sell them to folk i felt where suitable owners.

 

i also value dogs that some folk wouldnt keep. and wouldnt give kennel space to dogs that some folk value highly

 

and i think its nonsence becouse you are insulting other folks breeding and principles without ever meeting them. in my opinion there are GOOD dogs to be had on the open market. so to speak. you can put yourself on a pedeslal if you like but the reality is that there will be back garden breeders that are breeding as good or better. and sell or there surplus stock to prospective working dog lads they dont know it is the fashion on here to talk down other stuff. and rate there own. .. it aint like that in real life and good dogs are where you find them

[WILF 46,552]

After 3 digs and 5 minutes......then its pups from 100% worker!

tell you what wilf if your dogs were as smart as your mouth then you could actually be worth listening too but for a man with a dodgey chocolate drop you do some mouthing so take your head out of your ass because there actually a few decent men on this site who know what there talking about you tool look forward too your reply

 

OK, Now DeeMac because you have allways come across ok in your posts and because you were good enough to give Stevo a dog which is the mark of a right lad in my eyes, I have given you a little more respect than you gave me and sent you a pm.

 

Right, on to my post.......I have had much more than my fair share of shite, travelled long distances and parted up with good money only to have it all go to waste, I am a fully paid up member of the shite bred for money club.

What I said happens and it happens more than we would all like to think.........so, I have paid (and wasted) my hard earned money and I have the right to make comment about it.

Now, my dog at the moment may be a pile of shite or he may be a legend but one things for sure, you wont see me shouting about it anywhere.

 

The dog job is full of bullshitters and two faced c**ts, trust no one unless you know them as a good friend and know they will give you the strieght dice on there stuff.........listen to most lads and every dog in the country is a world beater and the fact is, its just not true.

[MAIN MAN 277]

[Main Man]

this will almost definatly stir a few coments but there are far to many terriers about who are not bred from good stuff! why breed from dogs that dont do much work and contaminate the good blood with bad!! buy a terrier buy almeans but dont breed from the rubish. even well bred dogs dont always turn out to be good but will kill rats ect!

 

If you had good working terriers and bred them, would you sell the pups to those that aren't gonna do much with the pup?

I wouldn't that's for sure as they would be wasted....could breed the pup with another sub standard dog of their mates and so on an so on

 

So my thoughts are.... unless people are very fortunate to know ppl with good dogs then they are forced to buy whatever there is available - shit in most cases. Good stuff is kept tight

Good stuff should be kept tight thats why it stays good stuff when its in the right hands.

 

Exactly....so only if your in the know do you get a good pup.

I have been lucky, being put on to a pup which i had to travel the length of the country for and has done alright now 2 1/2 years down the line, compared to the 2 pups i had previously from the Yellow Paper.

I'm sure their are miles better dogs about than the dogs my bitch is out of but it's a foot on the ladder for me, the bitch has given me a standard to improve on with the pup I had sent over from Eire recently.

The bitch I have aint proven by a long stretch but what happens if she has another 2 good seasons and I want a pup...should I take a chance on one from an advert??? Line my bitch with the best dog I can find - the dog might be my mates which is alright but no where near as good as Jo Bloggs professional terrierman's dog....BUT Jo doesnt want his blood getting out to any Tom Dick an Harry who only work their dogs once a month on average over a season! I'd have to consider using a dog I was able to use but he might not be the best in the country.......so I'd be getting slightly 'shitter' stuff in the pups.

 

Hope that makes sense......

 

Just to add I'm not thinkin about lining my bitch....just playing devils advocate.

Stevolad The reason a lot of people wont give out stuff is because they have been caught(my self included)This game is full b*****ds and con men.I have giveing out pups for nothing to people only to see them sold to the highest bidder.The same with stud dogs people come with bad bitches looking for the stud to breed shit to sell on and use your dogs name to up the price.Its great to give a pup to a young or old lad starting out but sometimes its hard to tell the good from the bad.look at some of the posts on this site(not all)they should not be giveing a budgie.If real terrier men know you are sound its great to see your dogs going to good working homes.But there are more idiots out there good dog men

 

All the more reason to look into people, you can tell alot about a person on here from how they conduct themselves, what they say and the input they have. Whenever I have contacted someone off here it's because something they have said has caught my eye and struck a note with me, looked back at previous posts, threads an comments and you can see what they are all about.

Its nice to here some good coments comeing from good people! its not all about slagging off people or there dogs (just good helthy advice) mabe some young or old beginers will learn not to rush in to buying the first terrier they see. also many a good dog has been ruiend in haste!! thats a fact

[Guest eastmids]

are you saying that every pup sold on here is crap. i dont breed many pups. but if i did i would sell

theres as much shit being sold on here as there is in the yellow paper,id say near as damn it there all crap being advertized.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

are you saying that every pup sold on here is crap. i dont breed many pups. but if i did i would sell

theres as much shit being sold on here as there is in the yellow paper,id say near as damn it there all crap being advertized.

 

you may be right . but then there is a lot of shit sold everywhere. i still maintain there are good well bred dogs that are sold on these www. forums. that is not just terriers . it is insulting to the folk that have sold surplus stock on here to tar everyone with the same brush

[stevolad 26]

Cleanspade, your right there is alot of shit sold everywhere which is why I have learnt that more often than not, good stuff is GIVEN to close pals, to stop the good blood getting into the hands of numpties who will feck the line up.

 

My bitch was bought through a recommendation off here and I travelled the length of the country for her from a hunt terrierman. I thought at the time you couldnt get any better. She's done alright for what I do, tried to find out the full breeding and getting stories about matings and the man who's dog was used over the bitch back in the line knows nothing about it.....

 

So.... is this another case of using a well known name to sell on pups or give the line a better name??

I'm not too bothered as the bitch is what she is and I'm quite happy with her at the moment but I know there is better out there.

 

My personal view, and that's all it is.... If I had good 'proven' dogs that I'd worked had to get and have them at a high standard then I wouldn't give the pups to any Tom, Dick an Harry....be it on a site or on the street.

 

I have been told about a certain well known terrierman who lost the plot over his line getting ruined by people breeding it to death....

 

 

Have I gone off the original topic....i think i have

[stevolad 26]

are you saying that every pup sold on here is crap. i dont breed many pups. but if i did i would sell

theres as much shit being sold on here as there is in the yellow paper,id say near as damn it there all crap being advertized.

 

I'd agree with that 100%